> Pastor fatally shot by police in drug sting
>
>
> Authorities say Jonathan Ayers was in car with drug suspect
>
> When police approached car, they claim Ayers struck officer with vehicle
>
> Another officer shot Ayers; both officers placed on paid administrative 
> leave
>
> Nothing illegal found in Ayers' vehicle, authorities say
>
> ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A north Georgia pastor was shot to death by 
> police when he struck an officer with his car after he was seen in a 
> vehicle with a drug suspect, authorities told CNN.
>
> Jonathan Ayers, pastor at Shoal Creek Baptist Church in Lavonia, Georgia, 
> died after the incident Tuesday afternoon in the nearby town of Toccoa, 
> Georgia, police said. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) is looking 
> into the shooting.
>
> An undercover drug task force team had set up an operation at a local 
> business, and had a woman under surveillance -- someone they had bought 
> drugs from on two previous occasions, GBI spokesman John Bankhead told CNN 
> Thursday.
>
> The officers saw the woman in a car with Ayers and saw what they believed 
> was a drug transaction, Bankhead said.
>
> They followed the car as Ayers dropped the woman off at a gas station.
>
> The undercover officers wanted to question Ayers about what they had just 
> seen, he said. "They approached the vehicle. They were in plain clothes. 
> They identified themselves as police officers, which civilian witnesses 
> say happened. They also had badges around their necks."
>
> Ayers put the car in reverse and backed up, striking an officer, Bankhead 
> said.
>
> According to Bankhead, Ayers then put the car into drive, and another 
> officer fired into the car, hitting Ayers, because he thought his life was 
> in danger.
>
> "The subject kept going and drove off," Bankhead said. "And later he ran 
> off the road. He was taken a local hospital, went into surgery and died an 
> hour later."
>
> The incident was caught on the gas station's surveillance camera.
>
> Police later determined what they had seen was not a drug transaction, but 
> "other circumstances were involved, and that's part of the investigation," 
> Bankhead said.
>
> The woman who was in the car with Ayers was taken into custody and faces 
> drug charges, Bankhead said.
> Stephens County sheriff Randy Shirley has placed both officers involved in 
> the incident on paid administrative leave, he said. The officer that was 
> struck by the car was treated and released at a local hospital.
>
> No drugs and nothing else illegal was found in Ayers' car, Bankhead said, 
> "even though what occurred would make any undercover officer working drugs 
> think that was a possibility. I can't get into that, but that's what we're 
> looking at."
>
> Shirley told CNN the drug task force unit comprises three Georgia 
> counties -- Stephens, Habersham and Rabun.
> Ayers' sister did not return a call from CNN Thursday.
>
> Ayers maintained a blog, in which he wrote that he had three loves in 
> life: "Jesus Christ, my wife Abby, and the Church."
>
> Toccoa is about 95 miles northeast of Atlanta.
>
> CNN's Carolina Sanchez contributed to this report.
>

Religion can be a strong positive influence, but it
clearly isn't a cloak of immunity.  This pastor wasn't
shot because he was a drug suspect but rather
because he was driving recklessly while fleeing
from a hit-and-run.

I sort of have to wonder what it was that the pastor
had on his mind that he thought was important
enough to risk peoples' lives to avoid even talking
with police officers.

--
Brother Nate
bronate@gmail.com
Moral Compass

On Sep 4, 9:42 pm, Brother Nate  wrote:
> Religion can be a strong positive influence, but it
> clearly isn't a cloak of immunity.  This pastor wasn't
> shot because he was a drug suspect but rather
> because he was driving recklessly while fleeing
> from a hit-and-run.
>
> I sort of have to wonder what it was that the pastor
> had on his mind that he thought was important
> enough to risk peoples' lives to avoid even talking
> with police officers.
>
> --
> Brother Nate
> bron...@gmail.com
> Moral Compass

He was on a mission from gawd. You do not trust him?

Religion can be a stronger negative influence.

On Sep 8, 4:53 am, Hiccum Blurpaedius  wrote:
> On Sep 4, 9:42 pm, Brother Nate  wrote:
> > Religion can be a strong positive influence, but it
> > clearly isn't a cloak of immunity.  This pastor wasn't
> > shot because he was a drug suspect but rather
> > because he was driving recklessly while fleeing
> > from a hit-and-run.
>
> > I sort of have to wonder what it was that the pastor
> > had on his mind that he thought was important
> > enough to risk peoples' lives to avoid even talking
> > with police officers.

> He was on a mission from gawd. You do not trust him?

Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

There may be debate over the exact meaning of
Matthew 22:21, but I don't think the pastor's Baptist
church would claim that Christians should hit-and-run
police officers who want to talk with clergymen.

> Religion can be a stronger negative influence.

Like every other world view it can be used as an
attempt to excuse a lot of bad behavior.  Slave
holding interests in the south in the American Civil
War made strong use of the bully pulpit to promote
their views, but at the same time the roots of the
Abolition movement in the north were strongly
motivated by religion.

--
Brother Nate
bronate@gmail.com
Moral Compass

Re: An interesting case; multiple people liable for accident  

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:43:06 -0400, Mike Ross 
wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:53:21 +0100, Cynic  wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:16:17 -0400, Mike Ross 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>So a convoy of five cars, the lead vehicle driving fast crashes and kills 
the
>>>driver and passenger... and the police somehow manage to obtain
>>>convictions/guilty pleas for *every other driver* in the convoy for 
causing
>>>death by careless driving? I would really like to know what happened 
there. 
>>
>>From the description in your post, I should think that all of the
>>drivers were participating in an illegal road race.
>
>If they were they would all have got hit with considerably more serious 
charges.
>

There are a few facts that i would like to clear up please.

I would like to say that,
1. It was NOT a duel carriageway
2. Andrew Sellors car was the middle car, that was the only one which 
crashed.
3. The two cars infront were about 3 miles away from the crash when it 
happend, and the first car had the smallest engine so i do not see how that 
could be deemed as racing.
4. And when the last two cars had come across the crash it had already 
happend.

Many thanks cj

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On Sep 8, 2:43 pm, Brother Nate  wrote:
> On Sep 8, 4:53 am, Hiccum Blurpaedius  wrote:
>
> > On Sep 4, 9:42 pm, Brother Nate  wrote:
> > > Religion can be a strong positive influence, but it
> > > clearly isn't a cloak of immunity.  This pastor wasn't
> > > shot because he was a drug suspect but rather
> > > because he was driving recklessly while fleeing
> > > from a hit-and-run.
>
> > > I sort of have to wonder what it was that the pastor
> > > had on his mind that he thought was important
> > > enough to risk peoples' lives to avoid even talking
> > > with police officers.
> > He was on a mission from gawd. You do not trust him?
>
> Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

Da original God da Father
>
> There may be debate over the exact meaning of
> Matthew 22:21, but I don't think the pastor's Baptist
> church would claim that Christians should hit-and-run
> police officers who want to talk with clergymen.

Jew, Catholic, protestant, protesting protestant, or Mexican AA
members hijacking planes.

>
> > Religion can be a stronger negative influence.
>
> Like every other world view it can be used as an
> attempt to excuse a lot of bad behavior.  Slave
> holding interests in the south in the American Civil
> War made strong use of the bully pulpit to promote
> their views, but at the same time the roots of the
> Abolition movement in the north were strongly
> motivated by religion.

As well as the tests of faith to access quality health care to get a
monitoring device out of my back the christian jew cop Reagan
administration stuck there in 1982 long key, fl during german
chancellors visit. Ask the one armed bandit.

>
> --
> Brother Nate
> bron...@gmail.com
> Moral Compass

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