On Jul 13, 8:21 am, "Aidy"  wrote:
> "JohnR"  wrote in message
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> The implication was that if something is legal it is harder to find it in an
> illegal form that is of worse quality.  Go to your local market and see how
> much "Chanel No5" is being sold.  Just between you and me....it's not the
> real thing but it still sells.

Nobody's risking their life by using knock-off Chanel No5. I see no
unregulated alcohol being sold at my local market.

In article  "Aidy"  writes:
>"JohnR"  wrote in message 
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>> It's not even nearly the same thing or related in any way whatsoever.

>The implication was that if something is legal it is harder to find it in an 
>illegal form that is of worse quality.  Go to your local market and see how 
>much "Chanel No5" is being sold.  Just between you and me....it's not the 
>real thing but it still sells. 

But it is not tainted with dangerous chemicals, is it?

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@seeheader.nospam)

"Certainly there are things in life that money can't buy,
 but it's very funny --
 Did you ever try buying then without money?"

				-Ogden Nash

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57:33 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>You can't tell a difference in quality between a lazer printed front cover 
>of a movie shot with a camera in a cinema and the priginal product?  Should 
>have gone to SpecSavers.

I see you have also bought into the lies spead by the anti-piracy
brigade as well as the lies spread by the prohibitionists.  Abysmal
quality was the hall-mark of pirate VHS videos, and the anti-piracy
adverts play on that by making out that pirate DVDs are also of such
bad quality that the viewing experience is severely degraded.

Whilst there are a very small number of pirate movies that were
obtained via a camcorder in a cinema (I've only come across one), the
vast majority of pirate DVDs are copies of commercially made DVDs -
and being digital copies are of exactly the same quality (apart, in
some cases, for the labels, though you won't tell a colour laser copy
from the original with the naked eye.)

Some home-made pirate copies have been compressed to fit onto a DVD5,
and a slight loss of quality might occur as a result of that
compression - though often the video information itself is exactly the
same and the compression is achieved by cutting out different language
audio tracks, director's commentry, subtitle tracks and the "bonus
features" that few people watch.

-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> I see you have also bought into the lies spead by the anti-piracy
> brigade as well as the lies spread by the prohibitionists.

Not at all.  I'm unfortunate enough to have known someone who regularly 
bought pirate DVDs and some were indeed cinema copies of quite poor quality. 
Given moden copying technology it does make you wonder why, but I assume 
these are copies of movies in the cinema that the pirate couldn't get 
digital copies of.  Once a film is released digitally there is no need for 
cinema-filmed copies.

Regardless of the film quality the packaging was never a patch on the 
original and, as you mentioned, the special features were usually missing. 
You say that no-one watches them but that is just an attempt to justify 
pirate copies.

It's a moot point though as people who buy pirate DVDs are not true movie 
fans so you're probably right in that they don't care about the special 
features.  For true fans like myself who want to support the movie industry 
by not stealing its work, the special features are actually a major reason 
for buying the DVD.  I have even bought the same DVD twice as the second 
copy had features I hadn't seen.  I believe I have 5 copies of Taxi Driver 
for example.

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:02:44 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>> I see you have also bought into the lies spead by the anti-piracy
>> brigade as well as the lies spread by the prohibitionists.

>Not at all.  I'm unfortunate enough to have known someone who regularly 
>bought pirate DVDs and some were indeed cinema copies of quite poor quality.

I wonder why he paid anything whatsoever for them in that case.

You are correct in that such camcorder copies are only ever of
interest during the few months between cinema release and DVD release.
I've not heard of them getting to a car boot sale within that time
period, but perhaps a very small number do.

If you are a genuine movie buff, you may be interested in downloading
versions of movies that were produced with different scenes or edits
for other countries, and so were never released in that form in the
UK.


-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> If you are a genuine movie buff, you may be interested in downloading
> versions of movies that were produced with different scenes or edits
> for other countries, and so were never released in that form in the
> UK.

No I wouldn't.  I would, however, be quite proud to import the movie and 
have it in my collection.  I have movies from Denmark and Australia that 
were not released here.  When VHS was still going I had both PAL and NTSC 
equipment so that I could import movies from the states.

Yes I could "download" things but where is the fun in that?

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:07:35 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>> If you are a genuine movie buff, you may be interested in downloading
>> versions of movies that were produced with different scenes or edits
>> for other countries, and so were never released in that form in the
>> UK.

>No I wouldn't.  I would, however, be quite proud to import the movie and 
>have it in my collection.

In which case you would need to hack either your DVD player or the DVD
image to overcome the regional protection that the movie maker has put
on the DVD specifically to prevent foreign versions being played in
the UK.

>Yes I could "download" things but where is the fun in that?

There is *lots* of fun in downloading movies, as well as editing your
own versions.  One DVD I had included in its "bonus features" several
scenes that had been cut from the released movie.  I spent a few
pleasant hours splicing those scenes back into the movie at the
relevant places and making a DVD that was not available *anywhere*
else.  I thought that a couple of the cut scenes made for a much
better understanding of the movie by a person seeing it for the first
time.  In another movie I swapped a couple of the scenes around in a
way that IMO made for better continuity and understanding.  I tried to
do the same recently for "The Dark Knight" - but that movie is *so*
jumbled and incoherent  that I was unable to make it any more
understandable.

You can download TV episodes that are unavailable (yet) in any
recorded format - which is a boon if you missed an episode of a
current series.  You can also download HD versions of movied and
programs that hare not yet available in recorded HD format.

It allows you to watch HD movies without a blue-ray player.

-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> In which case you would need to hack either your DVD player or the DVD
> image to overcome the regional protection that the movie maker has put
> on the DVD specifically to prevent foreign versions being played in
> the UK.

No.  Have you heard of Region 0?

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:28:44 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>> In which case you would need to hack either your DVD player or the DVD
>> image to overcome the regional protection that the movie maker has put
>> on the DVD specifically to prevent foreign versions being played in
>> the UK.

>No.  Have you heard of Region 0?

Yes of course, but if you believe that it has any relevance to what I
have stated, then *you* don't understand it.

Most commercial *movie* DVDs will be marked with a regional code other
than 0.  Therefore many, if not most of the foreign commercial movie
DVDs that you order will not play on an unhacked UK DVD player. 

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Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:28:44 +0100, "Aidy" 
> wrote:
>
>>> In which case you would need to hack either your DVD player or the DVD
>>> image to overcome the regional protection that the movie maker has put
>>> on the DVD specifically to prevent foreign versions being played in
>>> the UK.
>
>>No.  Have you heard of Region 0?
>
> Yes of course, but if you believe that it has any relevance to what I
> have stated, then *you* don't understand it.
>
Everything and anything is relevant for Aidy, anything at all. The more 
smoke a mirrors he can create the better. Far more trolling opportunities 
then and he doesn't even have to discuss the thorny fact that prohibition 
and the cretinous logic of those who support it are spectacular failures.

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:28:44 +0100, "Aidy" 
> wrote:
>
>>> In which case you would need to hack either your DVD player or the DVD
>>> image to overcome the regional protection that the movie maker has put
>>> on the DVD specifically to prevent foreign versions being played in
>>> the UK.
>
>>No.  Have you heard of Region 0?
>
> Yes of course, but if you believe that it has any relevance to what I
> have stated, then *you* don't understand it.

I do understand it (better than you *).  You said that if I want to watch 
foreign movies I would need to hack the DVD player or the DVD image to 
overcome the protection.  Your words.  Look....I've left them in above just 
to remind you.

The movies I am referring to are all Region 0 movies, I wouldn't be so 
stupid as to import something I couldn't play, would I?  Did you read the 
comment about having NTSC VHS equipment?  Not many people had that so that 
should give you an idea that I know about these things, so maybe you can 
stop treating people like idiots.

> Most commercial *movie* DVDs will be marked with a regional code other
> than 0 (*).  Therefore many, if not most of the foreign commercial movie
> DVDs that you order will not play on an unhacked UK DVD player.

How about this....none of my commercial foreign movies fail to play on my 
unhacked system.  All of my commercial foreign movies are Region 0.  See 
above comment.


<smug pedant>
There is actually *no* Region 0 code.  "Region 0" is a term given to movies 
that are either not region marked or marked as all regions.
</smug pedant>

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:41:20 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>>>> In which case you would need to hack either your DVD player or the DVD
>>>> image to overcome the regional protection that the movie maker has put
>>>> on the DVD specifically to prevent foreign versions being played in
>>>> the UK.

>>>No.  Have you heard of Region 0?

>> Yes of course, but if you believe that it has any relevance to what I
>> have stated, then *you* don't understand it.

>I do understand it (better than you *).  You said that if I want to watch 
>foreign movies I would need to hack the DVD player or the DVD image to 
>overcome the protection.  Your words.  Look....I've left them in above just 
>to remind you.

>The movies I am referring to are all Region 0 movies, I wouldn't be so 
>stupid as to import something I couldn't play, would I?  Did you read the 
>comment about having NTSC VHS equipment?  Not many people had that so that 
>should give you an idea that I know about these things, so maybe you can 
>stop treating people like idiots.

>> Most commercial *movie* DVDs will be marked with a regional code other
>> than 0 (*).  Therefore many, if not most of the foreign commercial movie
>> DVDs that you order will not play on an unhacked UK DVD player.

>How about this....none of my commercial foreign movies fail to play on my 
>unhacked system.  All of my commercial foreign movies are Region 0.  See 
>above comment.

So you have stupidly limited yourself to the very small subset of
foreign movies that have a region 0 encoding.

><smug pedant>
>There is actually *no* Region 0 code.  "Region 0" is a term given to movies 
>that are either not region marked or marked as all regions.
></smug pedant>

You will no doubt also be able to tell us where on the disk that
region encoding (or lack thereof) is placed?

-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> So you have stupidly limited yourself to the very small subset of
> foreign movies that have a region 0 encoding.

So you first thought you could "get" me by discovering that I had hacked my 
DVD player and you could call me a hypocrite for doing so.  Having 
discovered that I have done no such thing you instead change tack and say I 
am "stupid" for not having hacked my DVD player.

You're so, so transparent.

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:08:24 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>> So you have stupidly limited yourself to the very small subset of
>> foreign movies that have a region 0 encoding.
>
>So you first thought you could "get" me by discovering that I had hacked my 
>DVD player and you could call me a hypocrite for doing so.  Having 
>discovered that I have done no such thing you instead change tack and say I 
>am "stupid" for not having hacked my DVD player.

>You're so, so transparent.

I think you saw the path you were going down and quickly backpedalled.
As another poster has said, the vast majority of commercial region 0
disks are porn movies.

I see nothing wrong whatsoever in playing DVDs from a different
region.  AFAIK it is not in any way unlawful to do so.

-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:08:24 +0100, "Aidy" 
> wrote:
>
>>> So you have stupidly limited yourself to the very small subset of
>>> foreign movies that have a region 0 encoding.
>>
>>So you first thought you could "get" me by discovering that I had hacked 
>>my
>>DVD player and you could call me a hypocrite for doing so.  Having
>>discovered that I have done no such thing you instead change tack and say 
>>I
>>am "stupid" for not having hacked my DVD player.
>
>>You're so, so transparent.
>
> I think you saw the path you were going down and quickly backpedalled.
> As another poster has said, the vast majority of commercial region 0
> disks are porn movies.
>
> I see nothing wrong whatsoever in playing DVDs from a different
> region.  AFAIK it is not in any way unlawful to do so.
>
>
I have well over 1000 original region 1 DVD's and the vast majority have 
been imported from Canada & USA simply because of the ridiculous delays 
imposed on regional release dates of movies, sometimes up to 6 months. It is 
this as much as anything else that fuelled DVD piracy, people were buying 
pirate DVD's of US releases they couldn't obtain anywhere from any retailers 
in the UK.

All my discs passed through customs unmolested and had no duty to pay, being 
below the £18 limit. Getting hold of electrical equipment to support 
different regional formats was and is effortless with a little knowledge.

Damn these legitimate regulated markets and their efficiency.

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:08:24 +0100, "Aidy" 
> wrote:

> I think you saw the path you were going down and quickly backpedalled.

*I* backpeddled?  LOL.  Nothing I have said has been untruthful.  My DVD 
player has not been tampered with and I always check a DVD is R0 before 
getting it from abroad.  Your blatant and failed attempt to "snare" me shows 
that it is most certainly you who are back-peddling.  Now run along and play 
your silly games elsewhere.