On Jun 24, 3:47 am, "Aidy"  wrote:
> "Pete nospam Zakel"  wrote in messagenews:4a41245b$1@news.cadence.com...

> > The fact that legal pharmaceutical cocine is about 100 times cheaper than
> > illegal cocaine.  The fact that legal pharmaceutical heroin is about 100
> > times
> > cheaper than illegal heroin.
>
> I've already thrashed this out at length with Cynic.

Link?

In article  "Aidy"  writes:
>"Pete nospam Zakel"  wrote in message 
>news:4a4123bd$1@news.cadence.com...

>> Biased sample.  And that would also be opinion, not fact.

>So we can't go to the police to get information about crime.

No, you can gather statistics from the police to get information about crime.
But you can't expect a statistically valid answer from an individual cop on
the beat.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@seeheader.nospam)

"It is easier to get forgiveness than permission."

This is an “embarrassing issue” but one that effects a huge number of
people and is a debate with very serious implications with regard to
basic freedoms, quality of life and socio-economic advancement.. This
does not involve conspiracy theory or exaggeration but is based around
the very personal experiences and observations of myself , friends and
family who have been afflicted by mental health problems. If you
choose not to use or take other action as regards this letter, please
help others by discussing these issues, even if amongst yourselves.


A subject rarely out of the news has been antibiotic resistant
bacterial infections such as MRSA. Known as “hospital gangrene”, flesh
eating superbugs that kill and maim are believed to have come into
existence due to over-use and over-reliance on antibiotic medication.
A very significant minority of the population will be prescribed
psychiatric prescriptions such as antidepressants , tranquilisers or
antipsychotics, and their close relation mood stabilisers
Psychiatric medication has helped many people live fulfilling lives
who would otherwise face a poor quality of life. The problem is that
they are not miracle cures and can cause devastating, let alone
embarrassing, side effects in some patients.
The human brain is perhaps the most advanced machine known to human
science. It is a bodily organ containing both a mind capable of
thought and a soul capable of feeling. Psychiatrists can effectively
treat chemical imbalances in the brain with medication. What they
cannot do is untangle and manage the trauma and related stress that
has accelerated the patient’s mental decline, in the manner that a
counsellor does. Neither can drugs give a person a meaning to live,
only an inspirational figure, such as a person of faith, can achieve
that. It is therefore of paramount importance that a holistic approach
is taken to achieve maximum treatment with minimal disruption. The
reality is that mental health patients are used as a political
football between modern secular science and ancient religious belief
systems.
Where does the line between dream, hallucination and delusion meet
vision , revelation and prophecy. The concept of God and divinity is a
universal or absolute , like the numbers zero and infinity,  and proof
of the existence or nature of such is beyond all forms of orthodox
science.
Bob Geldof famously said about his charity work “Band Aid is like the
plaster. It will not heal a severed arm”. If a mental health epidemic
is to be avoided, medical science must accept that no pill or surgical
practise will heal a broken heart.

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:05:21 -0700 (PDT), Andy
 wrote:

>This is an “embarrassing issue” 

<snip>

...that has not the slightest relevance to politics, luser.

<PLONK!>

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Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.

Pete nospam Zakel wrote:
> In article  "Aidy"  writes:
> 
>> What evidence do you have that drugs would be cheaper if legal?
> 
> The fact that legal pharmaceutical cocine is about 100 times cheaper than
> illegal cocaine.  The fact that legal pharmaceutical heroin is about 100 times
> cheaper than illegal heroin.
> 
Diamorphine Hydrochloride (Heroin) 5 x 10mg £9.75 (inc VAT)
<http://www.le-west.co.uk/medical/DIAMORPHINE-HYDROCHLORIDE-10MG_M1881.html>

I don't know how that compares with street prices though.

-- 
Mike

Mike wrote:
> Pete nospam Zakel wrote:
>> In article  "Aidy"  writes:
>>
>>> What evidence do you have that drugs would be cheaper if legal?
>> The fact that legal pharmaceutical cocine is about 100 times cheaper than
>> illegal cocaine.  The fact that legal pharmaceutical heroin is about 100 times
>> cheaper than illegal heroin.
>>
> Diamorphine Hydrochloride (Heroin) 5 x 10mg £9.75 (inc VAT)
> <http://www.le-west.co.uk/medical/DIAMORPHINE-HYDROCHLORIDE-10MG_M1881.html>
> 
Do they cut that with real or synthetic rat poison at that price? ;-)



> I don't know how that compares with street prices though.
>

"Mike" <spamdump@fensoft.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message 
news:4a4384c1$0$510$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> Diamorphine Hydrochloride (Heroin) 5 x 10mg £9.75 (inc VAT)
> <http://www.le-west.co.uk/medical/DIAMORPHINE-HYDROCHLORIDE-10MG_M1881.html>

I'm not going over this again, it has been covered before.

Aidy wrote:
> "Mike" <spamdump@fensoft.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:4a4384c1$0$510$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>> Diamorphine Hydrochloride (Heroin) 5 x 10mg £9.75 (inc VAT)
>> <http://www.le-west.co.uk/medical/DIAMORPHINE-HYDROCHLORIDE-10MG_M1881.html>
> 
> I'm not going over this again, it has been covered before. 
> 
What has?  Are you claiming that "street heroin" is cheaper?

-- 
Mike

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:40:22 +0000, Mike
<spamdump@fensoft.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>> I'm not going over this again, it has been covered before. 
 
>What has?  Are you claiming that "street heroin" is cheaper?

Yes, he claimed exactly that.

-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
news:l4v7455gqfqke7g1hlt1to9cohkeaosp49@4ax.com...

> Yes, he claimed exactly that.

Go through your sent posts, I think you'll find the reality slightly 
different.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:44:27 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>> Yes, he claimed exactly that.

>Go through your sent posts, I think you'll find the reality slightly 
>different.

So let's get this straight - do you or do you not believe that street
heroin is a lot more expensive than legal pharmaceutical heroin?

-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
news:35a945tk1560vlmd3hb3g0i1eq2vee1b5e@4ax.com...

> So let's get this straight - do you or do you not believe that street
> heroin is a lot more expensive than legal pharmaceutical heroin?

We've been through this before, I have no interest in showing you wrong 
again.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:08:46 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>> So let's get this straight - do you or do you not believe that street
>> heroin is a lot more expensive than legal pharmaceutical heroin?

>We've been through this before, I have no interest in showing you wrong 
>again. 

You refuse to answer even that simple question!

-- 
Cynic