On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:15:15 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>> Do you have a cite for that statistic?  80% sounds far too high to me.
>
>It was 82% but the figures were for 2006 so I rounded it down as I didn't 
>want to suggest it was an exact current percentage.  Those stats are from 
>the Home Office and are available via a site called google.

The closest I could find is
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/14/drugsandalcohol.prisonsandprobation
"
The Prison Service points out that on average 55% of inmates are
problem drug users and some prisons report up to 80% of new inmates
testing positive for class A drugs on reception. Governors argue that
given this high level of abuse among new prisoners it is not
surprising to see such a high demand for drugs in prison.
"

Note "some prisons" and "up to 80%"  And class A drugs obviously does
not refer only to heroin.

Other reports state that  33% of prisoners were convicted of
drug-related offences, so there is little wonder that a higher
proportion of prisoners are drug users than are found in the general
population.

>> Please cite any post from myself where I have no agreed that the
>> majority of property crime in this country is carried out to fund an
>> illegal drug habit.

>You seriously want me to go through what are probably 5,000 posts from you 
>on this subject to find where you have denied that heroin users are also 
>habitual property thieves?  That's your burden of proof fallacy again....

In which case I ask you to retract your completely mistaken belief
that I have ever stated such a thing.

-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> The closest I could find is

Find harder then.

> Note "some prisons" and "up to 80%"  And class A drugs obviously does
> not refer only to heroin.

None of that contradicts what I said.  Home Office stats put the number of 
pre-prison heroin users at 82% (other class A drugs were listed seperately 
but were actually incredibly low at a few percent here and there).  How The 
Guardian chooses to paraphrase is completely irrelevant.  Obviously some 
prisons will be less, some more, some maybe don't even test for drugs at 
all?  Who cares?  Not me....there is still a disproportionally high number 
of drug users in jail.

> In which case I ask you to retract your completely mistaken belief
> that I have ever stated such a thing.

We'll just need to agree to disagree.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:20:20 +0100, "Aidy" 
wrote:

>> In which case I ask you to retract your completely mistaken belief
>> that I have ever stated such a thing.

>We'll just need to agree to disagree. 

Not surprising coming from a person who believes that heroin causes
brain tumours and cancer.

-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> Not surprising coming from a person who believes that heroin causes
> brain tumours and cancer.

Don't tell me that's something else you deny?

Aidy wrote:
> "Cynic"  wrote in message
> news:0jqk359ru71qvdr8iitj85scf739g8d46r@4ax.com...
>
>> Not surprising coming from a person who believes that heroin causes
>> brain tumours and cancer.
>
> Don't tell me that's something else you deny?

Well if he doesn't I will and ask you to cite evidence for this claim, 
because it is the most common drug used for the pain of cancer. In addition 
there is evidence it inhibits tumor growth and prolongs life span in mice 
with neuroblastoma in a 1991 study.
http://www.meduweb.com/showthread.php?t=1932

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