In article ,
dohduhdah@yahoo.com (sobriquet) wrote:

> *From:* sobriquet 
> *Date:* Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:58:28 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> On 21 jun, 13:25, Cla...@aol.com (Claude) wrote:
> > In article , 
> > drj...@NOSPAM.hotpotmail.com (Dr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Watson) wrote:
> > > *From:* Dr John Watson 
> > > *Date:* Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:08:28 +0100
> >
> > > Noticed at Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:43:00 +0100: Claude informed us:
> >
> > > > In article ,
> > > > drj...@NOSPAM.hotpotmail.com (Dr John Watson) wrote:
> >
> > > >> He said there was a human right to use drugs, so long as it 
> > did
> > > not
> > > >> negatively impact on the rights of others.
> >
> > > > It does, it impacts on friends, family, employers and society.
> >
> > > So does a jail sentence or a criminal record, more so than an
> > > occasional
> > > line or spliff. "Daddy's doing 2 years for buying 10 pills for a
> > > private
> > > party, I miss him".
> >
> > > > Harm from drugs legal or illegal, is not just to the user.
> > > > Therein lies
> > > > the failure of the so called harm reduction through 
> > legalisation
> > > > argument.
> >
> > > You've just argued for alcohol and tobacco to be criminalised.
> >
> > > > "Total Harm" increases as overall use of a drug increases. 
> > That
> > > > is the
> > > > evidence of the existing legal markets in some drugs.
> >
> > > Is that the depth of your thought? It's a truism.
> >
> > Exactly and it is so obviously true that it is very hard to argue 
> > against. It is a
> > truism that the legalisation lobby avoid agreeing with. In fact 
> > from Arnold Trebach
> > and Lethal Needleman down, they avoid it. I am very glad to hear 
> > that you, of all
> > people, accept it. Great and surprising news.
> 
> It's bullshit perpetuated by prohibitionist nazi scum. Total harm
> actually went down when alcohol was legalized.
Actually no, check it out. Overall health damage from alcohol was very low under
prohibition. It is astonishingly low to this day in countries with laws or taboos
against use, even those that actually produce it.
You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
> Total harm would go down if cannabis would be legalized, because 
> most
> of the harm associated with cannabis
> is caused by prohibition of cannabis rather than cannabis itself.
>

sobriquet wrote:
<SNIP>>>
>> Actually no, check it out. Overall health damage from alcohol was
>> very low under prohibition. It is astonishingly low to this day in
>> countries with laws or taboos against use, even those that actually
>> produce it.
>
> Sure, if you don't mind living in a fascist police state. I bet total
> harm from drug use would
> be lower in nazi germany as well, if they had won the war. They love a
> clean and neat society
> and they will make sure anything undesirable will be eliminated
> without a trace, including
> crime, homosexuality, political dissent, drug use, etc..
>
> It's not just about overall health damage from alcohol, it's also
> about overall damage...

Exactly, whilst fewer people may have suffered from alcoholic ilnesses, not 
only did those who had a problem suffer more but for society as a whole the 
general quality of life suffered. Sound familar?

It is of interest to read about  "The Solari Index"*  by Catherine Austin 
Fitts at :
http://www.narconews.com/narcodollars1.html

"The Solari Index is my way of estimating how well a place is doing. It is 
based upon the percentage of people in a place who believe that a child can 
leave their home and go to the nearest place to buy a popsicle and come home 
alone safely."


Slatts
* Sometimes called "the Popsicle Index"