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I can mention a few off the top of my hat.

Psilocybin mushrooms - not legal, but they grow in the wild,
and it is almost impossible to stop someone from growing
some in their yard. Only mycologists know them from other
mushrooms.

Kava Kava - the favorite drink/herb of the Pacific. It has
alcohol like effects, but is tough on the liver in greater quantities.
It makes the islanders feel irie and, well, pacific?

Mulungu - the Kava Kava of Brazil, and with no liver toxicity.

Lotus flower - the Blue and White Lotus can be steeped in
wine, and has an intoxicating effect, beyond the alcohol. It
is sexually stimulating, especially for women.

Toads - lick them, and you'll see princes. Or something - the toxin
the toad excretes has psychedelic qualities and contains 5-MEO-DMT
(see the ubiquitously present DMT listed below).

Aminata Muscaria - fly agaric, the white stemmed, red capped and
white spot dotted mushroom associated with little
elves and leprechauns. The Laps drink the reindeer urine, after
the reindeer have eaten the mushroom. The effect makes you feel like
you're flying through the sky, like Santa, and his reindeer drawn
sled, dressed in his red and white costume... wait a minute...

Opium Poppies. They are 100% legal to grow. You can buy
their seeds, their dried seed pods, and even eat their mature seeds on
bread. You're just not allowed to make a small incision in the immature
pod, and collect the latex. Opium latex of course is the raw material
for opium, morphine and heroin. Opium poppies can grow anywhere
other poppies can grow. They're easier to grow than cannabis, as
they don't need special lamps, and can just be grown outdoors.
They can withstand some frost, and their seeds can survive perfectly
well below the winter snow. Be very careful if you try this, because
opium is physically addictive (unlike any of the psychedelics). It is
in my opinion not to be used recreationally, but in cases of acute pain
is invaluable. Of course, you can always just get a doctor's prescription
for the many medications that contain opium or it's derivatives - codeine,
oxycontin, there are even paracetamol tablets with codeine in them.

Salvia Divinorum - a member of the mint family, grows very easily
at room temperature. It prefers relatively high levels of moisture, although
it can be weened off that requirement too. It doesn't need intensive
light, in fact, it doesn't like direct sunlight at all. Dried leaves can be smoked
for a trip that is either very gentle and informative, or totally freaky and
ego shattering, depending on the setting and the user. Nature and relative darkness
is the best setting, cramped space with machinery and loud noises the worst.
Fresh leaves can be slowly chewed without ingesting for a milder trip, as
Salvinorin-A is taken up through the lining of the mouth and becomes
inactive in the stomach.

Tabernanthe Iboga - a tropical shrub from West Africa, where it is used
by  the Bwiti cult for the initiation into adulthood. The root of the shrub
is dried turned into Ibogaine. When ingested it gives a dreamy trip, which
is used to meet the ancestors. It also confronts buried childhood trauma,
and is very effective in treating addiction, because it confronts the addict
with the underlying psychological drivers of their addiction. It also has the
wonderful property of bypassing the excruciatingly painful 'cold turkey'
phase long term heroin addicts go through. It has as very high success
rate in curing addiction.

DMT containing plants. DMT is like a brainfood, and everyone is carrying
it right now. DMT is an indol-alkaloid, with a chemical structure very
closely related to serotonin. A few of the plants containing DMT are:

- Psychotria viridis (Rubiaceae),
- Testulea gabonensis (Ochnaceae)
- Virola surinamensis
- Virola theiodora
- Vepris ampody (rutaceous plant)

Too many to mention, see a longer list here:
http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8680

Combined with an MAO Inhibitor, DMT containing plants
can be broiled into Ayahuasca and give some seriously deep
trips.

DMT is inactive when ingested, but when smoked, it causes
a very weird trip that few people care to repeat, although
they keep referencing it for years and years after.

I'm having fun recounting all the plants that contain 'drugs',
but the point is clear. Drugs are EVERYWHERE in nature.
If you believe that there is a design and purpose, or at least
a kind of order, to our and life's existence, it is as if they are
intended to be taken by human beings or any other being,
intent on reaching greater levels of knowledge and
understanding. Even the bible had the 'tree of knowledge'.

This also underlines the insanity of trying to 'ban drugs' or
'strive for a drug free world'. Drugs are in us and are part
of us. We have evolved alongside them and the plants and
animals that contain them.

5trfg6h7 wrote:
>  wrote in message
> news:c0374217-570b-465c-ac4a-d40032190895@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> Check out this website for legal narcotic alternatives http://www.GetHighLegally.net/

	Warning while I found the quoted post entertaining and amusing it is
mentioning law applicable to one jurisdiction.
> 
> I can mention a few off the top of my hat.
> 
> Psilocybin mushrooms - not legal, but they grow in the wild,
> and it is almost impossible to stop someone from growing
> some in their yard. Only mycologists know them from other
> mushrooms.

	Illegal in the USA.

> Kava Kava - the favorite drink/herb of the Pacific. It has
> alcohol like effects, but is tough on the liver in greater quantities.
> It makes the islanders feel irie and, well, pacific?
> 
> Mulungu - the Kava Kava of Brazil, and with no liver toxicity.
> 
> Lotus flower - the Blue and White Lotus can be steeped in
> wine, and has an intoxicating effect, beyond the alcohol. It
> is sexually stimulating, especially for women.
> 
> Toads - lick them, and you'll see princes. Or something - the toxin
> the toad excretes has psychedelic qualities and contains 5-MEO-DMT
> (see the ubiquitously present DMT listed below).

	Toads and a specific species at that are not legal for use
or possession with the intent to induce a pyschedelic experience.
> 
> Aminata Muscaria - fly agaric, the white stemmed, red capped and
> white spot dotted mushroom associated with little
> elves and leprechauns. The Laps drink the reindeer urine, after
> the reindeer have eaten the mushroom. The effect makes you feel like
> you're flying through the sky, like Santa, and his reindeer drawn
> sled, dressed in his red and white costume... wait a minute...

	Too easily confused with more deadly schooms and again an
illegal substance.  Besides that not many temperate zone habitants
keep reindeer.
> 
> Opium Poppies. They are 100% legal to grow. You can buy
> their seeds, their dried seed pods, and even eat their mature seeds on
> bread. You're just not allowed to make a small incision in the immature
> pod, and collect the latex. Opium latex of course is the raw material
> for opium, morphine and heroin. Opium poppies can grow anywhere
> other poppies can grow. They're easier to grow than cannabis, as
> they don't need special lamps, and can just be grown outdoors.
> They can withstand some frost, and their seeds can survive perfectly
> well below the winter snow. Be very careful if you try this, because
> opium is physically addictive (unlike any of the psychedelics). It is
> in my opinion not to be used recreationally, but in cases of acute pain
> is invaluable. Of course, you can always just get a doctor's prescription
> for the many medications that contain opium or it's derivatives - codeine,
> oxycontin, there are even paracetamol tablets with codeine in them.

	Illegal to cultivate in the good old freedom loving USA.
> 
> Salvia Divinorum - a member of the mint family, grows very easily
> at room temperature. It prefers relatively high levels of moisture, although
> it can be weened off that requirement too. It doesn't need intensive
> light, in fact, it doesn't like direct sunlight at all. Dried leaves can be smoked
> for a trip that is either very gentle and informative, or totally freaky and
> ego shattering, depending on the setting and the user. Nature and relative darkness
> is the best setting, cramped space with machinery and loud noises the worst.
> Fresh leaves can be slowly chewed without ingesting for a milder trip, as
> Salvinorin-A is taken up through the lining of the mouth and becomes
> inactive in the stomach.

	Not supposed to be a really good trip and have hovered near illegality
for several years now.
> 
> Tabernanthe Iboga - a tropical shrub from West Africa, where it is used
> by  the Bwiti cult for the initiation into adulthood. The root of the shrub
> is dried turned into Ibogaine. When ingested it gives a dreamy trip, which
> is used to meet the ancestors. It also confronts buried childhood trauma,
> and is very effective in treating addiction, because it confronts the addict
> with the underlying psychological drivers of their addiction. It also has the
> wonderful property of bypassing the excruciatingly painful 'cold turkey'
> phase long term heroin addicts go through. It has as very high success
> rate in curing addiction.

	And it might still be legal if your church or faith otherwise
uses it as a sacramental substance.
> 
> DMT containing plants. DMT is like a brainfood, and everyone is carrying
> it right now. DMT is an indol-alkaloid, with a chemical structure very
> closely related to serotonin. A few of the plants containing DMT are:
> 
> - Psychotria viridis (Rubiaceae),
> - Testulea gabonensis (Ochnaceae)
> - Virola surinamensis
> - Virola theiodora
> - Vepris ampody (rutaceous plant)
> 
> Too many to mention, see a longer list here:
> http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8680

	Inaccurate as DMT is not so much a brain food or nutrient as a
naturally occuring brain chemical.

> 
> Combined with an MAO Inhibitor, DMT containing plants
> can be broiled into Ayahuasca and give some seriously deep
> trips.
> 
> DMT is inactive when ingested, but when smoked, it causes
> a very weird trip that few people care to repeat, although
> they keep referencing it for years and years after.

	DMT is illegal but some churches may be still using it or
a similar compound as a sacrament in the USA.

> 
> I'm having fun recounting all the plants that contain 'drugs',
> but the point is clear. Drugs are EVERYWHERE in nature.
> If you believe that there is a design and purpose, or at least
> a kind of order, to our and life's existence, it is as if they are
> intended to be taken by human beings or any other being,
> intent on reaching greater levels of knowledge and
> understanding. Even the bible had the 'tree of knowledge'.
> 
> This also underlines the insanity of trying to 'ban drugs' or
> 'strive for a drug free world'. Drugs are in us and are part
> of us. We have evolved alongside them and the plants and
> animals that contain them.

	And you left out peyote, the sacrament of the Native American Church
and San Pedro Cactus the South American healer's plant.
Both contain mescaline, peyote is endangered, San Pedro is widely
available from cacti dealers but is illegal to defang, slice thinly
and discarding the central core boil down to a mush you can dry and
intoxicate yourself with.  But that is illegal so don't you do it,
ok!
	I added alt.drug.psychelics to the newsgroup list and if anyone
wants more data they can followup to that newsgroup.
	Don't do drugs! People have a headful of them already so learn
to use the ones you have already by means of meditative practice or you
may have problems with the law and with your own dear brains.

    later
    bliss -- C  O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)

--
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco

     "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
     It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
     the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
     It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
        --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.

You forgot to mention my favorite - Khat

Legal to own in the UK. Not sure if it
would grow here.

"bobbie sellers"  wrote in message news:60c5beF1q4mhjU1@mid.individual.net...
> 5trfg6h7 wrote:
> >  wrote in message
> > news:c0374217-570b-465c-ac4a-d40032190895@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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>
> Warning while I found the quoted post entertaining and amusing it is
> mentioning law applicable to one jurisdiction.

Ok, I wasn't writing with the USA in mind, but the UK, where they are legal
to grow for ornamental purposes.

Even so, where the US is concerned (from EROWID),

http://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy_law.shtml

Opium poppies are specifically scheduled under U.S. Law. The Controlled Substances Act, Schedule II,
lists "Opium poppy and poppy straw" as well as "Concentrate of poppy straw (the crude extract of
poppy straw in either liquid, solid or powder form which contains the phenanthrene alkaloids of the
opium poppy)". Opium and its constituent chemicals are listed in Schedule II and some derivatives
(such as Heroin) are listed in Schedule I.

There is some confusion in the law, however, because opium-producing poppies are widely grown around
the US and Canada and the opium poppy seeds are omnipresent in cooking, breads, and deserts. The
grey-blue poppy seeds sold in virtually every grocery store in the US contain low levels of opiates
(not psychoactive at amounts used in cooking). Poppy pods are widely used in dry flower
arrangements.

Law enforcement in the US is somewhat inconsistent about these plants, although there are continual
attempts to try to stop them from being sold or grown. If poppies are grown as sources for opiates,
there is no question that it violates the CSA. If poppies are purely grown for ornamental purposes,
their legal position is somewhat less clear cut, since they are so widely grown and available.

Opium for legal commercial pharmaceutical use is grown with special government licenses around the
world, although very little of it is grown inside the US. Large scale underground opium poppy
growing is reported to take place in Mexico, Afghanistan, and many other countries in Asia. Much of
the produced opium is converted into heroin because it is easier to ship and commands a higher price
than raw opium.

The U.S. DEA recently re-affirmed in 2006 that Afghanistan is not a legal source for poppy products.
See http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20061800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2006/E6-16325.htm:

  (f) Notwithstanding paragraphs (a)(1) and (a)(2) of this section,
the Administrator shall permit, pursuant to 21 U.S.C. 952(a)(1) or
(a)(2)(A), the importation of approved narcotic raw material (opium,
poppy straw and concentrate of poppy straw) having as its source:
    (1) Turkey,
    (2) India,
    (3) Spain,
    (4) France,
    (5) Poland,
    (6) Hungary, and
    (7) Australia.
    (g) At least eighty (80) percent of the narcotic raw material
imported into the United States shall have as its original source
Turkey and India. Except under conditions of insufficient supplies of
narcotic raw materials, not more than twenty (20) percent of the
narcotic raw material imported into the United States annually shall
have as its source Spain, France, Poland, Hungary and Australia.



Also, opium poppy seed can be bought online at for instance this
Canadian website: http://www.poppies.org/

"Fart Sometimes"  wrote in message news:fnqonv$5cc$1@aioe.org...
> You forgot to mention my favorite - Khat
>
> Legal to own in the UK. Not sure if it
> would grow here.

Check out this page on Khat:

http://www.plot55.com/growing/c.edulis.html

It sounds like it can grow in roughly the same conditions as cannabis.
It grows in arid conditions, poor (sandy) soil and in full sun, so metal
halide lamps lamps could stand in for that. As a shrub, it is probably
pretty easy to grow. I would have to be grown indoors or in a heated
greenhouse. It seems to grow a lot slower than cannabis though.

For the legal status of Khat worldwide, see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat#Control_status

'Just Say No' to the War On Plants. :)