Asda refuse to print baby snap of son for 21st birthday cake...
because he's naked
By James Tozer

Daily Mail, UK: 25 June 2008
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029375/Asda-refuse-print-baby-snap-son-21st-birthday-cake--hes-naked.html
[ http://tinyurl.com/3th8kf ]

It was meant to be a gently embarrassing centrepiece for her son’s
21st birthday celebrations.

But when Gail Jordan asked staff at Asda to print the photograph of
him as a baby onto a cake, she was stunned when they refused - because
it featured his bare bottom.

Claiming that putting the snap - which featured her son David aged
about five months and lying on his front - on the cake would
constitute pornography, they instead insisted on 'censoring' it with a
strategically placed star.
[...]

On 25 Jun, 23:18, Cub Reporter  wrote:
> Asda refuse to print baby snap of son for 21st birthday cake...
> because he's naked
> By James Tozer
>
> Daily Mail, UK: 25 June 2008http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029375/Asda-refuse-print-bab...
> [http://tinyurl.com/3th8kf]
>
> It was meant to be a gently embarrassing centrepiece for her son’s
> 21st birthday celebrations.
>
> But when Gail Jordan asked staff at Asda to print the photograph of
> him as a baby onto a cake, she was stunned when they refused - because
> it featured his bare bottom.
>
> Claiming that putting the snap - which featured her son David aged
> about five months and lying on his front - on the cake would
> constitute pornography, they instead insisted on 'censoring' it with a
> strategically placed star.
> [...]

Well, I'd say they succeeded in the 'embarrassing' part at least.

Mmmmmmm..... discussions of this type may be entertaining, but they
are futile... they don't lead anywhere... because we are never going
to address the essentials.
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dddp6bt4_829zpt8ffd

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Ishtar
 wrote:

>Mmmmmmm..... discussions of this type may be entertaining, but they
>are futile... they don't lead anywhere... because we are never going
>to address the essentials.
>http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dddp6bt4_829zpt8ffd

Interesting. Last night I watched a BBC Two programme about a British
woman who spent several weeks living with a tribe in Ecuador. The
tribespeople, men, women and children, generally wore very little
clothing. The men's penises, for example, were in full view 24/7 and
there were many scenes of communal sleeping where the man, wife and
very young infant, all pretty much entirely naked, would be fast
asleep in a huddle in one large hammock. That is their way of life.
There was no hint of abuse. On the contrary, the British woman visitor
and honorary tribesperson slowly realised that these people were far
happier and more contented than we in the West are. They had no sexual
hangups. They had generally excellent, white teeth and all seemed as
fit as fiddles, even the very old. They ate only fresh food from the
jungle - wild boar, plantains and so on.

If these people were transported to Britain as it is right now, the
men would be arrested for going naked and the children would be put
into care by social workers, with the tabloids screaming
"Paedophiles!" in banner headlines.

MM

"MM"  wrote in message 
news:49l6641ftq85ljjh5g77jrjf5e8iun8s2m@4ax.com...
> If these people were transported to Britain as it is right now, the
> men would be arrested for going naked and the children would be put
> into care by social workers, with the tabloids screaming
> "Paedophiles!" in banner headlines.

I know a bloke (we met via usenet) who happens to be a naturist (we met 
through a VW group not a naturism group. I would not inflict my pasty body 
on anyone's eyes) but gave up because of the hassle he got from going with 
his family to naturist sites by people who equate nudity with peedyfiles.
I took a group of youngsters canoeing in the south of France last summer and 
the river has several naturist beaches on it. Intially the kids got uptight 
(apparently thinking that naked blokes were flashers - curiously not 
offended by the women, especially the young fit ones) but by the second day 
did not bother at all. One of the boys decided to join in which gave me and 
the other instructors some soul searching. I did not want to stop him (IMO 
if he was old enough to refuse life saving medical treatment then he was old 
enough to understand the implications of taking his shorts off - just so 
long as he put a high sun factor on his whitest bits. no way was I going to 
provide first aid on that!) but we, technically were still under UK rules 
and we would put ourselves at risk of perving accusations so we had to stop 
him.
We had a similar problem when a couple of the girls talked about going 
topless.
My wife has had similar problems taking youngsters (16-18) skiing abroad 
where the saunas are mixed and clothing free. They operate a rota where the 
adults go at a different time to the youngsters. This leaves the youngsters 
unsupervised in a wooden box with unknown naked adults. Never once had a 
problem the issue seems to be with our adults mixing with our youngsters. 
Forrin people are acceptable apparently.
Likewise if I take kids swimming I must change seperately (whilst still 
being held responsible for their behaviour). I have been DSed (CRB) but I 
must leave them in a public changing are where very few of the adults have 
been DSed. This apparently makes sense to the PowersThatBe.

Andy

MM wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Ishtar
>  wrote:
>
>> Mmmmmmm..... discussions of this type may be entertaining, but they
>> are futile... they don't lead anywhere... because we are never going
>> to address the essentials.
>> http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dddp6bt4_829zpt8ffd
>
> Interesting. Last night I watched a BBC Two programme about a British
> woman who spent several weeks living with a tribe in Ecuador. The
> tribespeople, men, women and children, generally wore very little
> clothing. The men's penises, for example, were in full view 24/7 and
> there were many scenes of communal sleeping where the man, wife and
> very young infant, all pretty much entirely naked, would be fast
> asleep in a huddle in one large hammock. That is their way of life.
> There was no hint of abuse. On the contrary, the British woman visitor
> and honorary tribesperson slowly realised that these people were far
> happier and more contented than we in the West are. They had no sexual
> hangups. They had generally excellent, white teeth and all seemed as
> fit as fiddles, even the very old.

With a life expectancy close to 28. Lets not do the whole 'noble savage' 
thing, it was nonsense a couple hundred years ago, it is nonsense now.

Gaz

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:37:53 +0100, "Gaz"  wrote:

>MM wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Ishtar
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Mmmmmmm..... discussions of this type may be entertaining, but they
>>> are futile... they don't lead anywhere... because we are never going
>>> to address the essentials.
>>> http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dddp6bt4_829zpt8ffd
>>
>> Interesting. Last night I watched a BBC Two programme about a British
>> woman who spent several weeks living with a tribe in Ecuador. The
>> tribespeople, men, women and children, generally wore very little
>> clothing. The men's penises, for example, were in full view 24/7 and
>> there were many scenes of communal sleeping where the man, wife and
>> very young infant, all pretty much entirely naked, would be fast
>> asleep in a huddle in one large hammock. That is their way of life.
>> There was no hint of abuse. On the contrary, the British woman visitor
>> and honorary tribesperson slowly realised that these people were far
>> happier and more contented than we in the West are. They had no sexual
>> hangups. They had generally excellent, white teeth and all seemed as
>> fit as fiddles, even the very old.
>
>With a life expectancy close to 28. Lets not do the whole 'noble savage' 
>thing, it was nonsense a couple hundred years ago, it is nonsense now.
>
>Gaz 

Don't be ridiculous. The bloke who "wedded" the British woman was 51
and was as fit as a 28-year-old. There were several old crones/blokes
in the tribe who looked ancient, but still healthy.

And what is so healthy about our Western lifestyle, with obesity, ME,
MS, dementia, diabetes, anorexia, bullmia, major cancers, alcoholism,
STIs, strokes, heart attacks, road traffic accidents?

MM

MM wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:37:53 +0100, "Gaz"  wrote:
>
>> MM wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Ishtar
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mmmmmmm..... discussions of this type may be entertaining, but they
>>>> are futile... they don't lead anywhere... because we are never
>>>> going to address the essentials.
>>>> http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dddp6bt4_829zpt8ffd
>>>
>>> Interesting. Last night I watched a BBC Two programme about a
>>> British woman who spent several weeks living with a tribe in
>>> Ecuador. The tribespeople, men, women and children, generally wore
>>> very little clothing. The men's penises, for example, were in full
>>> view 24/7 and there were many scenes of communal sleeping where the
>>> man, wife and very young infant, all pretty much entirely naked,
>>> would be fast asleep in a huddle in one large hammock. That is
>>> their way of life. There was no hint of abuse. On the contrary, the
>>> British woman visitor and honorary tribesperson slowly realised
>>> that these people were far happier and more contented than we in
>>> the West are. They had no sexual hangups. They had generally
>>> excellent, white teeth and all seemed as fit as fiddles, even the
>>> very old.
>>
>> With a life expectancy close to 28. Lets not do the whole 'noble
>> savage' thing, it was nonsense a couple hundred years ago, it is
>> nonsense now.
>>
>> Gaz
>
> Don't be ridiculous. The bloke who "wedded" the British woman was 51
> and was as fit as a 28-year-old. There were several old crones/blokes
> in the tribe who looked ancient, but still healthy.
>
> And what is so healthy about our Western lifestyle, with obesity, ME,
> MS, dementia, diabetes, anorexia, bullmia, major cancers, alcoholism,
> STIs, strokes, heart attacks, road traffic accidents?
>
> MM

It isnt even worth bothering to answer that.

Gaz

MM wrote:

> obesity, ME,
> MS, dementia, diabetes, anorexia, bullmia, major cancers, alcoholism,
> STIs, strokes, heart attacks, road traffic accidents

What a bloody good night!

"MM"  wrote in message 
news:62g7649a86p6av288jdflcu25l2r89do34@4ax.com...
> And what is so healthy about our Western lifestyle, with obesity, ME,
> MS, dementia, diabetes, anorexia, bullmia, major cancers, alcoholism,
> STIs, strokes, heart attacks, road traffic accidents?

At least we don't suffer from bilharzia (sp), Nile virus, screw worms, 
trichosis, cateracts, malaria (the no.1 killer in the world), crocodiles, 
venomous snakes, easily treatable injuries resulting from falls etc, sepsis, 
water borne parasites, elephantitis etc etc

Mr Swing hi there do say hello to Mr Roundabout.

Andy

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:37:53 +0100, "Gaz"  wrote:

>It isnt even worth bothering to answer that.

You mean, you have no answer!

MM

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:02:57 +0100, "AndyW"
 wrote:

>"MM"  wrote in message 
>news:62g7649a86p6av288jdflcu25l2r89do34@4ax.com...
>> And what is so healthy about our Western lifestyle, with obesity, ME,
>> MS, dementia, diabetes, anorexia, bullmia, major cancers, alcoholism,
>> STIs, strokes, heart attacks, road traffic accidents?
>
>At least we don't suffer from bilharzia (sp), Nile virus, screw worms, 
>trichosis, cateracts, malaria (the no.1 killer in the world), crocodiles, 
>venomous snakes, easily treatable injuries resulting from falls etc, sepsis, 
>water borne parasites, elephantitis etc etc

But we DO suffer from the list I mentioned, while there was no
evidence that the tribe in question, which was numerous, was anything
but healthy. You can tell a lot about a society from how the children
look, and these children all appeared well fed and well cared for.
Maybe you'd like to believe that the BBC hid away all the sick people
suffering from Nile virus etc?

MM

"MM"  wrote in message 
news:4n6964tf6r2cb8s23sa9idq6nr293k68ia@4ax.com...
>>At least we don't suffer from bilharzia (sp), Nile virus, screw worms,
>>trichosis, cateracts, malaria (the no.1 killer in the world), crocodiles,
>>venomous snakes, easily treatable injuries resulting from falls etc, 
>>sepsis,
>>water borne parasites, elephantitis etc etc
>
> But we DO suffer from the list I mentioned, while there was no
> evidence that the tribe in question, which was numerous, was anything
> but healthy. You can tell a lot about a society from how the children
> look, and these children all appeared well fed and well cared for.
> Maybe you'd like to believe that the BBC hid away all the sick people
> suffering from Nile virus etc?

No you posted the travel brochure picture I posted what you see when you get 
to the resort (eg half built hotel, no pool, 12 miles from the beach).
My post did not counter your post, your post was accurate, I just made it a 
little more complete.
Do lighten up a little, you are being a little on the overly defensive side 
I think

Andy

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:37:57 +0100, "AndyW"
 wrote:

>"MM"  wrote in message 
>news:4n6964tf6r2cb8s23sa9idq6nr293k68ia@4ax.com...
>>>At least we don't suffer from bilharzia (sp), Nile virus, screw worms,
>>>trichosis, cateracts, malaria (the no.1 killer in the world), crocodiles,
>>>venomous snakes, easily treatable injuries resulting from falls etc, 
>>>sepsis,
>>>water borne parasites, elephantitis etc etc
>>
>> But we DO suffer from the list I mentioned, while there was no
>> evidence that the tribe in question, which was numerous, was anything
>> but healthy. You can tell a lot about a society from how the children
>> look, and these children all appeared well fed and well cared for.
>> Maybe you'd like to believe that the BBC hid away all the sick people
>> suffering from Nile virus etc?
>
>No you posted the travel brochure picture I posted what you see when you get 
>to the resort (eg half built hotel, no pool, 12 miles from the beach).
>My post did not counter your post, your post was accurate, I just made it a 
>little more complete.
>Do lighten up a little, you are being a little on the overly defensive side 
>I think
>
>Andy 

Sorry! It's my default position, I'm afraid.

MM

"MM"  wrote in message 
news:4n6964tf6r2cb8s23sa9idq6nr293k68ia@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:02:57 +0100, "AndyW"
>  wrote:
>
>>"MM"  wrote in message
>>news:62g7649a86p6av288jdflcu25l2r89do34@4ax.com...
>>> And what is so healthy about our Western lifestyle, with obesity, ME,
>>> MS, dementia, diabetes, anorexia, bullmia, major cancers, alcoholism,
>>> STIs, strokes, heart attacks, road traffic accidents?
>>
>>At least we don't suffer from bilharzia (sp), Nile virus, screw worms,
>>trichosis, cateracts, malaria (the no.1 killer in the world), crocodiles,
>>venomous snakes, easily treatable injuries resulting from falls etc, 
>>sepsis,
>>water borne parasites, elephantitis etc etc
>
> But we DO suffer from the list I mentioned, while there was no
> evidence that the tribe in question, which was numerous, was anything
> but healthy. You can tell a lot about a society from how the children
> look, and these children all appeared well fed and well cared for.
> Maybe you'd like to believe that the BBC hid away all the sick people
> suffering from Nile virus etc?
>
> MM

You dont get it, do you? Their children did look and appear well fed, 
because the sick ones die off pretty quickly.

Gaz