CROP YIELD VERIFICATION 
http://www.gardensofeden.org/04%20Crop%20Yield%20Verification.htm
The statistical information listed In the tables below represent a
crop-by-crop average yield of 47 foods (in pounds per acre), according
to two different sources. If we calculate the average yield for all of
these crops we find it to be 10,642 pounds per one acre of land.
Therefore, the yield for 1/4 acre is 1/4 of that, or 2660 pounds. 

If you grew equal amounts of all these crops (except rice -- I
excluded rice because it is so unusually high-yielding, and it takes
lots of water to grow rice) on 1/4 acre of land, how many pounds of
food per day does that average out to be, in the course of one year,
if you had one harvest season per year? 



  2660 lbs./year     = 7.3 pounds of food per day for one person. 
  365 days/year 



Do the crop yield figures (shown below) seem a little bit too high for
you? Do you really think that you could get, for example, 19,400
pounds of carrots out of only one acre of land? One acre of land is
43,560 square feet, according to Random House Dictionary. If that was
a square piece of land, that would be 208.7 feet long on each side of
that square. (The "square root" of 43,560 is 208.7) If you produced
19,400 pounds of carrots out of 43,560 square feet of land, that would
be less than 1/2 pound per one square foot of land: 



     19,400 lbs. per one acre        = .445 pounds per ONE square foot
of land.
43,560 square feet per one acre 



If you went into a supermarket to the bulk produce section, and
weighted some carrots on the scale, you would see that a half pound of
carrots is a small handful of carrots. Can you visualize this
half-pound of carrots in a square piece of ground that is one foot
long on each side? It appears to be reasonable to me! 

You could do similar calculations for the other crop yield figures
below, but you would find similar results: the numbers are quite
realistic. Check it out for yourself, though. Notice too, that CARROTS
are one of the higher yielding crops. Therefore, MOST of the other
figures are even MORE reasonable than carrots! 









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
>> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
>>
>> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
>
>> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
>> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
>> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
>> ridiculous with this charade.
>
>Ancient history.  You've attacked me too. 

Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
times over the years here, but unlike Pete neither of us
are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
be someone else and denying what we wrote about 
each other.

> Let it be.

Anything for an easy life, eh? Play on. After all, it's his
game you're playing.

"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
> >
> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
> >> ridiculous with this charade.
> >
> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
>
> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
> times over the years here,

I have NEVER initiated an attack against you, Derek.

> but unlike Pete neither of us
> are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
> be someone else and denying what we wrote about
> each other.

You viciously attacked me, again, and not that long ago.
Then you appeared out of the aether to wish me a happy
christmas and great new year as if nothing had happened.

> > Let it be.
>
> Anything for an easy life, eh? Play on. After all, it's his
> game you're playing.

Huh?   This is NOT about people - you've been sucked into
the loser antis little game, whilst the OP you're now attacking
has consistently been contributing a great deal of information.

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:04:12 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
>> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
>> >
>> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
>> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
>> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
>> >> ridiculous with this charade.
>> >
>> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
>>
>> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
>> times over the years here,
>
>I have NEVER initiated an attack against you, Derek.

You've initiated plenty of them. In fact, every time I
disagree with you over something you initiate another 
one.

>> but unlike Pete neither of us
>> are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
>> be someone else and denying what we wrote about
>> each other.
>
>You viciously attacked me, again, and not that long ago.

Yes, for denying that you sell horses for money like
chattel while hypocritically attacking livestock
farmers for doing exactly the same thing.

>Then you appeared out of the aether to wish me a happy
>christmas and great new year as if nothing had happened.

No, unlike Pete I haven't tried to pretend nothing ugly
has ever happened between us by adopting a new nym
to conceal my past. Unlike Pete who hides behind a false 
identity to avoid explaining his attacks on you, I explain 
why I attack you and your double standards using my 
real name every time.

>> > Let it be.
>>
>> Anything for an easy life, eh? Play on. After all, it's his
>> game you're playing.
>
>Huh?   

Yep. Keep playing it.

"Derek"  wrote in message news:bk17o35m1sfqkd811ro8jj1218jrmflrge@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:04:12 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
> >> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
> >> >
> >> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
> >> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
> >> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
> >> >> ridiculous with this charade.
> >> >
> >> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
> >>
> >> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
> >> times over the years here,
> >
> >I have NEVER initiated an attack against you, Derek.
>
> You've initiated plenty of them. In fact, every time I
> disagree with you over something you initiate another
> one.

There's a vast difference between difference of opinion and attack.

> >> but unlike Pete neither of us
> >> are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
> >> be someone else and denying what we wrote about
> >> each other.
> >
> >You viciously attacked me, again, and not that long ago.
>
> Yes, for denying that you sell horses for money like
> chattel while hypocritically attacking livestock
> farmers for doing exactly the same thing.

A trumped-up charge without basis in fact, as explained.

> >Then you appeared out of the aether to wish me a happy
> >christmas and great new year as if nothing had happened.
>
> No, unlike Pete I haven't tried to pretend nothing ugly
> has ever happened between us by adopting a new nym
> to conceal my past. Unlike Pete who hides behind a false
> identity to avoid explaining his attacks on you, I explain
> why I attack you and your double standards using my
> real name every time.

No, you pretend to be a friend, when you're really a traitor.

The ongoing OP's nym changes have nothing to do with me.

> >> > Let it be.
> >>
> >> Anything for an easy life, eh? Play on. After all, it's his
> >> game you're playing.
> >
> >Huh?
>
> Yep. Keep playing it.

Shame on you.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:52:17 +0000, Derek 
wrote:

>On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>>"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
>>> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
>>>
>>> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
>>
>>> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
>>> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
>>> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
>>> ridiculous with this charade.
>>
>>Ancient history.  You've attacked me too. 
>
>Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
>times over the years here, but unlike Pete neither of us
>are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
>be someone else and denying what we wrote about 
>each other.
>
>> Let it be.
>
>Anything for an easy life, eh? Play on. After all, it's his
>game you're playing.

Hell hath........







--

My greatest speech to the peasants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7LWuP0T7Q

pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk



England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:36:45 +0000, Derek 
wrote:

>On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:04:12 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>>"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>>> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
>>> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
>>> >
>>> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
>>> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
>>> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
>>> >> ridiculous with this charade.
>>> >
>>> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
>>> times over the years here,
>>
>>I have NEVER initiated an attack against you, Derek.
>
>You've initiated plenty of them.

Hell hath.....







--

My greatest speech to the peasants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7LWuP0T7Q

pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk



England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:53:52 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>"Derek"  wrote in message news:bk17o35m1sfqkd811ro8jj1218jrmflrge@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:04:12 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
>> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
>> >> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
>> >> >
>> >> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
>> >> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
>> >> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
>> >> >> ridiculous with this charade.
>> >> >
>> >> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
>> >> times over the years here,
>> >
>> >I have NEVER initiated an attack against you, Derek.
>>
>> You've initiated plenty of them. In fact, every time I
>> disagree with you over something you initiate another
>> one.
>
>There's a vast difference between difference of opinion and attack.

Then learn it and stop pretending you're under attack
every time someone disagrees with you.

>> >> but unlike Pete neither of us
>> >> are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
>> >> be someone else and denying what we wrote about
>> >> each other.
>> >
>> >You viciously attacked me, again, and not that long ago.
>>
>> Yes, for denying that you sell horses for money like
>> chattel while hypocritically attacking livestock
>> farmers for doing exactly the same thing.
>
>A trumped-up charge without basis in fact, as explained.

You admitted selling them after I forced it out of you.

 [start - me to you]
 > >> You trade rights-holding horses for personal gain 
 >>>....
 > >
 > >The small moneys received were no more than partial 
 > >recompense for material costs incurred raising them. 
 >
 >That is correct.  I could no longer keep those ponies. 

  That may be true, but to say, "I don't and *never have* 
  'bought and sold' horses." is a lie. 
 [end]
 http://tinyurl.com/ypkjs6

You lied when claiming never to have sold horses, and
selling rights-holding animals for hard cash makes you 
no different to other livestock sellers. Many or most
livestock traders say the same thing you do, that "The 
small moneys received were no more than partial 
recompense for material costs incurred raising them."

>> >Then you appeared out of the aether to wish me a happy
>> >christmas and great new year as if nothing had happened.
>>
>> No, unlike Pete I haven't tried to pretend nothing ugly
>> has ever happened between us by adopting a new nym
>> to conceal my past. Unlike Pete who hides behind a false
>> identity to avoid explaining his attacks on you, I explain
>> why I attack you and your double standards using my
>> real name every time.
>
>No

Absolutely yes, so stop lying.

>> >> > Let it be.
>> >>
>> >> Anything for an easy life, eh? Play on. After all, it's his
>> >> game you're playing.
>> >
>> >Huh?
>>
>> Yep. Keep playing it.
>
>Shame on you.

No, none at all, horse-trader.

"Derek"  wrote in message news:6m37o3df1u59f5c9qgpo204b844svrab0o@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:53:52 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:bk17o35m1sfqkd811ro8jj1218jrmflrge@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:04:12 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
> >> >> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
> >> >> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
> >> >> >> ridiculous with this charade.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
> >> >> times over the years here,
> >> >
> >> >I have NEVER initiated an attack against you, Derek.
> >>
> >> You've initiated plenty of them. In fact, every time I
> >> disagree with you over something you initiate another
> >> one.
> >
> >There's a vast difference between difference of opinion and attack.
>
> Then learn it and stop pretending you're under attack
> every time someone disagrees with you.

That's for you to do, nebbish.

> >> >> but unlike Pete neither of us
> >> >> are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
> >> >> be someone else and denying what we wrote about
> >> >> each other.
> >> >
> >> >You viciously attacked me, again, and not that long ago.
> >>
> >> Yes, for denying that you sell horses for money like
> >> chattel while hypocritically attacking livestock
> >> farmers for doing exactly the same thing.
> >
> >A trumped-up charge without basis in fact, as explained.
>
> You admitted selling them after I forced it out of you.
>
>  [start - me to you]
>  > >> You trade rights-holding horses for personal gain
>  >>>....
>  > >
>  > >The small moneys received were no more than partial
>  > >recompense for material costs incurred raising them.
>  >
>  >That is correct.  I could no longer keep those ponies.
>
>   That may be true, but to say, "I don't and *never have*
>   'bought and sold' horses." is a lie.
>  [end]
>  http://tinyurl.com/ypkjs6
>
> You lied when claiming never to have sold horses, and
> selling rights-holding animals for hard cash makes you
> no different to other livestock sellers. Many or most
> livestock traders say the same thing you do, that "The
> small moneys received were no more than partial
> recompense for material costs incurred raising them."

Nonsense.  You tried to make it appear that I'm a horse
dealer, when I'm not.  You're spinning of this is a joke.

> >> >Then you appeared out of the aether to wish me a happy
> >> >christmas and great new year as if nothing had happened.
> >>
> >> No, unlike Pete I haven't tried to pretend nothing ugly
> >> has ever happened between us by adopting a new nym
> >> to conceal my past. Unlike Pete who hides behind a false
> >> identity to avoid explaining his attacks on you, I explain
> >> why I attack you and your double standards using my
> >> real name every time.
> >
> >No you pretend to be a friend, when you're really a traitor.

The ongoing OP's nym changes have nothing to do with me.

> Absolutely yes, so stop lying.

Absolutely not.  You're exposed as a liar and a dirty traitor.

> >> >> > Let it be.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anything for an easy life, eh? Play on. After all, it's his
> >> >> game you're playing.
> >> >
> >> >Huh?
> >>
> >> Yep. Keep playing it.
> >
> >Shame on you.
>
> No, none at all, horse-trader.

Tons of shame on you, liar.

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:29:33 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>"Derek"  wrote in message news:6m37o3df1u59f5c9qgpo204b844svrab0o@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:53:52 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:bk17o35m1sfqkd811ro8jj1218jrmflrge@4ax.com...
>> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:04:12 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
>> >> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
>> >> >> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
>> >> >> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
>> >> >> >> ridiculous with this charade.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
>> >> >> times over the years here,
>> >> >
>> >> >I have NEVER initiated an attack against you, Derek.
>> >>
>> >> You've initiated plenty of them. In fact, every time I
>> >> disagree with you over something you initiate another
>> >> one.
>> >
>> >There's a vast difference between difference of opinion and attack.
>>
>> Then learn it and stop pretending you're under attack
>> every time someone disagrees with you.
>
>That's for you to do, nebbish.

Already done, years ago.

>> >> >> but unlike Pete neither of us
>> >> >> are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
>> >> >> be someone else and denying what we wrote about
>> >> >> each other.
>> >> >
>> >> >You viciously attacked me, again, and not that long ago.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, for denying that you sell horses for money like
>> >> chattel while hypocritically attacking livestock
>> >> farmers for doing exactly the same thing.
>> >
>> >A trumped-up charge without basis in fact, as explained.
>>
>> You admitted selling them after I forced it out of you.
>>
>>  [start - me to you]
>>  > >> You trade rights-holding horses for personal gain
>>  >>>....
>>  > >
>>  > >The small moneys received were no more than partial
>>  > >recompense for material costs incurred raising them.
>>  >
>>  >That is correct.  I could no longer keep those ponies.
>>
>>   That may be true, but to say, "I don't and *never have*
>>   'bought and sold' horses." is a lie.
>>  [end]
>>  http://tinyurl.com/ypkjs6
>>
>> You lied when claiming never to have sold horses, and
>> selling rights-holding animals for hard cash makes you
>> no different to other livestock sellers. Many or most
>> livestock traders say the same thing you do, that "The
>> small moneys received were no more than partial
>> recompense for material costs incurred raising them."
>
>Nonsense.  You tried to make it appear that I'm a horse
>dealer, when I'm not.  

 Remember this?
 [start - me to you]
  >> You earn money by reducing "them" (plural) to 
  >> mere utilities, yet you like to promote the image of an AR 
  >> advocate at the same time. When reducing animals to 
  >> mere utilities for personal gain how is that any different 
  >> to those actions you claim to abhor in other livestock 
  >> keepers? 
  >
   >I don't do anything of the sort. 
 
   Yes, you do, and you cannot deny it. When buying and 
   selling horses you reduce their moral status to mere 
   utilities, so explain how you are different to any other 
   livestock keeper and why you criticise them for doing 
   exactly what you do. 
   [end] 
   Derek 28 Aug 2006   http://tinyurl.com/yuqaju 

and

 "Why is your exploitation of these animals any 
 different to the exploitation of others? We've already 
 established that you buy and sell horses, and we've 
 established that you also exploit other animals in your 
 care for food. You exploit animals, pure and simple, 
 and according to you, "People that defend animal 
 exploitation are totally devoid of both qualities 
 (empathy and compassion)." Furthermore, because 
 you lack empathy and compassion, according to 
 your argument you cannot understand the position 
 for animal rights. Way to go, old girl."
 Derek http://tinyurl.com/ypkjs6

>> >> >Then you appeared out of the aether to wish me a happy
>> >> >christmas and great new year as if nothing had happened.
>> >>
>> >> No, unlike Pete I haven't tried to pretend nothing ugly
>> >> has ever happened between us by adopting a new nym
>> >> to conceal my past. Unlike Pete who hides behind a false
>> >> identity to avoid explaining his attacks on you, I explain
>> >> why I attack you and your double standards using my
>> >> real name every time.
>> >
>> >No you pretend to be a friend, when you're really a traitor.
>
>The ongoing OP's nym changes have nothing to do with me.

I didn't say they were, but I'm glad to see you
acknowledge them.

"Derek"  wrote in message news:fp57o3t2mib9q9bfuefb6cphj638ga23ue@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:29:33 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:6m37o3df1u59f5c9qgpo204b844svrab0o@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:53:52 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:bk17o35m1sfqkd811ro8jj1218jrmflrge@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:04:12 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
> >> >> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
> >> >> >> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
> >> >> >> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
> >> >> >> >> ridiculous with this charade.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
> >> >> >> times over the years here,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I have NEVER initiated an attack against you, Derek.
> >> >>
> >> >> You've initiated plenty of them. In fact, every time I
> >> >> disagree with you over something you initiate another
> >> >> one.
> >> >
> >> >There's a vast difference between difference of opinion and attack.
> >>
> >> Then learn it and stop pretending you're under attack
> >> every time someone disagrees with you.
> >
> >That's for you to do, nebbish.
>
> Already done, years ago.

If only.

> >> >> >> but unlike Pete neither of us
> >> >> >> are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
> >> >> >> be someone else and denying what we wrote about
> >> >> >> each other.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You viciously attacked me, again, and not that long ago.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, for denying that you sell horses for money like
> >> >> chattel while hypocritically attacking livestock
> >> >> farmers for doing exactly the same thing.
> >> >
> >> >A trumped-up charge without basis in fact, as explained.
> >>
> >> You admitted selling them after I forced it out of you.
> >>
> >>  [start - me to you]
> >>  > >> You trade rights-holding horses for personal gain
> >>  >>>....
> >>  > >
> >>  > >The small moneys received were no more than partial
> >>  > >recompense for material costs incurred raising them.
> >>  >
> >>  >That is correct.  I could no longer keep those ponies.
> >>
> >>   That may be true, but to say, "I don't and *never have*
> >>   'bought and sold' horses." is a lie.
> >>  [end]
> >>  http://tinyurl.com/ypkjs6
> >>
> >> You lied when claiming never to have sold horses, and
> >> selling rights-holding animals for hard cash makes you
> >> no different to other livestock sellers. Many or most
> >> livestock traders say the same thing you do, that "The
> >> small moneys received were no more than partial
> >> recompense for material costs incurred raising them."
> >
> >Nonsense.  You tried to make it appear that I'm a horse
> >dealer, when I'm not.  You're spinning of this is a joke.
>
>  Remember this?

I remember every instance of your rabid lying and treachery, Derek.

>  [start - me to you]
>   >> You earn money by reducing "them" (plural) to
>   >> mere utilities, yet you like to promote the image of an AR
>   >> advocate at the same time. When reducing animals to
>   >> mere utilities for personal gain how is that any different
>   >> to those actions you claim to abhor in other livestock
>   >> keepers?
>   >
>    >I don't do anything of the sort.
>
>    Yes, you do, and you cannot deny it. When buying and
>    selling horses you reduce their moral status to mere
>    utilities, so explain how you are different to any other
>    livestock keeper and why you criticise them for doing
>    exactly what you do.
>    [end]
>    Derek 28 Aug 2006   http://tinyurl.com/yuqaju
>
> and
>
>  "Why is your exploitation of these animals any
>  different to the exploitation of others? We've already
>  established that you buy and sell horses, and we've
>  established that you also exploit other animals in your
>  care for food. You exploit animals, pure and simple,
>  and according to you, "People that defend animal
>  exploitation are totally devoid of both qualities
>  (empathy and compassion)." Furthermore, because
>  you lack empathy and compassion, according to
>  your argument you cannot understand the position
>  for animal rights. Way to go, old girl."
>  Derek http://tinyurl.com/ypkjs6

Spinning and misrepresenting my position as if his life depended on it.

Poor no-life.

> >> >> >Then you appeared out of the aether to wish me a happy
> >> >> >christmas and great new year as if nothing had happened.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, unlike Pete I haven't tried to pretend nothing ugly
> >> >> has ever happened between us by adopting a new nym
> >> >> to conceal my past. Unlike Pete who hides behind a false
> >> >> identity to avoid explaining his attacks on you, I explain
> >> >> why I attack you and your double standards using my
> >> >> real name every time.
> >> >
> >> >No you pretend to be a friend, when you're really a traitor.
> >
> >The ongoing OP's nym changes have nothing to do with me.
>
> I didn't say they were, but I'm glad to see you
> acknowledge them.

Yes you did, stupid liar.  Read the paragraph just above, traitor.

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:53:50 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>"Derek"  wrote in message news:fp57o3t2mib9q9bfuefb6cphj638ga23ue@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:29:33 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:6m37o3df1u59f5c9qgpo204b844svrab0o@4ax.com...
>> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:53:52 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:bk17o35m1sfqkd811ro8jj1218jrmflrge@4ax.com...
>> >> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:04:12 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
>> >> >> >> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
>> >> >> >> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
>> >> >> >> >> ridiculous with this charade.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
>> >> >> >> times over the years here, but unlike Pete neither of us
>> >> >> >> are now adding insult to those injuries by pretending to
>> >> >> >> be someone else and denying what we wrote about
>> >> >> >> each other.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You viciously attacked me, again, and not that long ago.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, for denying that you sell horses for money like
>> >> >> chattel while hypocritically attacking livestock
>> >> >> farmers for doing exactly the same thing.
>> >> >
>> >> >A trumped-up charge without basis in fact, as explained.
>> >>
>> >> You admitted selling them after I forced it out of you.
>> >>
>> >>  [start - me to you]
>> >>  > >> You trade rights-holding horses for personal gain
>> >>  >>>....
>> >>  > >
>> >>  > >The small moneys received were no more than partial
>> >>  > >recompense for material costs incurred raising them.
>> >>  >
>> >>  >That is correct.  I could no longer keep those ponies.
>> >>
>> >>   That may be true, but to say, "I don't and *never have*
>> >>   'bought and sold' horses." is a lie.
>> >>  [end]
>> >>  http://tinyurl.com/ypkjs6
>> >>
>> >> You lied when claiming never to have sold horses, and
>> >> selling rights-holding animals for hard cash makes you
>> >> no different to other livestock sellers. Many or most
>> >> livestock traders say the same thing you do, that "The
>> >> small moneys received were no more than partial
>> >> recompense for material costs incurred raising them."
>> >
>> >Nonsense.  You tried to make it appear that I'm a horse
>> >dealer, when I'm not.  You're spinning of this is a joke.
>>
>>  Remember this?
>
>I remember every instance 

Good.

>>  [start - me to you]
>>   >> You earn money by reducing "them" (plural) to
>>   >> mere utilities, yet you like to promote the image of an AR
>>   >> advocate at the same time. When reducing animals to
>>   >> mere utilities for personal gain how is that any different
>>   >> to those actions you claim to abhor in other livestock
>>   >> keepers?
>>   >
>>    >I don't do anything of the sort.
>>
>>    Yes, you do, and you cannot deny it. When buying and
>>    selling horses you reduce their moral status to mere
>>    utilities, so explain how you are different to any other
>>    livestock keeper and why you criticise them for doing
>>    exactly what you do.
>>    [end]
>>    Derek 28 Aug 2006   http://tinyurl.com/yuqaju
>>
>> and
>>
>>  "Why is your exploitation of these animals any
>>  different to the exploitation of others? We've already
>>  established that you buy and sell horses, and we've
>>  established that you also exploit other animals in your
>>  care for food. You exploit animals, pure and simple,
>>  and according to you, "People that defend animal
>>  exploitation are totally devoid of both qualities
>>  (empathy and compassion)." Furthermore, because
>>  you lack empathy and compassion, according to
>>  your argument you cannot understand the position
>>  for animal rights. Way to go, old girl."
>>  Derek http://tinyurl.com/ypkjs6
>
>Spinning and misrepresenting my position 

I haven't misrepresented your position as a horse trader.
You've admitted it, and you therefore have no grounds 
to criticise Jim for trading his livestock, hypocrite.

>> >> >> >Then you appeared out of the aether to wish me a happy
>> >> >> >christmas and great new year as if nothing had happened.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, unlike Pete I haven't tried to pretend nothing ugly
>> >> >> has ever happened between us by adopting a new nym
>> >> >> to conceal my past. Unlike Pete who hides behind a false
>> >> >> identity to avoid explaining his attacks on you, I explain
>> >> >> why I attack you and your double standards using my
>> >> >> real name every time.
>> >> >
>> >> >No you pretend to be a friend, when you're really a traitor.
>> >
>> >The ongoing OP's nym changes have nothing to do with me.
>>
>> I didn't say they were, but I'm glad to see you
>> acknowledge them.
>
>Yes you did

Then show where I did.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:19:02 +0000, Derek 
wrote:

>On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:53:52 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>>"Derek"  wrote in message news:bk17o35m1sfqkd811ro8jj1218jrmflrge@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:04:12 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>>> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:hpu6o3poa0mbcarbmcbqg99logdc9krkos@4ax.com...
>>> >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:58:05 -0000, "pearl"  wrote:
>>> >> >"Derek"  wrote in message news:ebt5o3pmsbftm4crvmboe01mroqsr59mv6@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> Pete, hiding his past behind the nym Adenoid Hynkel wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >Hell hath no fury like a .....
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Do you honestly believe that Pearl is fooled by your latest
>>> >> >> nymshift, Pete, and that she's forgotten the things you wrote
>>> >> >> about her? Give it up; you're making both of you look
>>> >> >> ridiculous with this charade.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Ancient history.  You've attacked me too.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, that's true. We've attacked each other plenty of
>>> >> times over the years here,
>>> >
>>> >I have NEVER initiated an attack against you, Derek.
>>>
>>> You've initiated plenty of them. In fact, every time I
>>> disagree with you over something you initiate another
>>> one.
>>
>>There's a vast difference between difference of opinion and attack.
>
>Then learn it and stop pretending you're under attack

To be honest mush you sound like a real bunny boiler. That's OK we
understand here that care in the community is no longer provided.
We'll help you get over your urges to stalk and obsession of forcing
people to like you.

It's a tough road and many will fall, but cold turkey is the only way
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