The false claims they made in the past about being Vegan have been
exposed as lies, and they don't sound too humble about it!

There are still many companies selling ECOVER products as Vegan so
they are obviously not too concerned about letting suppliers know the
truth.

I am Very disappointed to learn this.


News


http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/News/Details.htm?ID=147
Joint Statement by Ecover and The Vegan Society  [ 03-08-2007 ]

Ecover respects the mission and values of the Vegan Society who
acknowledge that Ecover has 27 years of history as a company dedicated
to protecting the environment. The Vegan Society recognizes Ecover as
a company of integrity. As such the Vegan Society and Ecover are
working together to ensure both organisations principles are adhered
to.


As a pioneering ecological company, Ecover’s responsibility is to
continuously improve the environmental performance of its products. A
major challenge in developing an ecological washing and cleaning
product is minimizing the effects of its use on aquatic systems.
Therefore, the toxicity of these products on aquatic life must be
measured. 

To establish the impact on the aquatic environment Ecover uses aquatic
toxicity testing which uses water fleas (daphnia), as they are present
throughout the world in any freshwater system. As far as Ecover is
aware there are no alternative tests available that will more
accurately measure the impact of cleaning products on the aquatic
environment. Ecover far exceeds the EU definition on what constitutes
animal testing as daphnia are invertebrates which do not have a
central nervous system. The EU definition defines animal testing as
the use of vertebrates, past a specified embryonic stage, (or larval
stage in the case of fish and amphibians). 

Ecover also uses a red blood cell test (Invittox RBC) on a
non-systematic basis that uses blood from rabbit farming to test the
effect of detergents on mucus membranes (to test skin
compatability).This test is used only in those cases where alternative
testing methods are unavailable. Given the shortage of human red blood
cells Ecover believes the use of human blood would be unethical.
However, as alternative testing methods are continuously investigated,
Ecover is confident that the RBC test shall become obsolete over the
next few years. 

Ecover respects the values of the Vegan Society and its members. Yet,
as part of the company’s core values, Ecover owes its customers
transparency and will continue to hold on to its principles as it has
done so for the past 27 years. Thus, our organizations have mutually
decided to disagree on these points of principle and consequently,
Ecover shall no longer carry the Vegan trademark. 

Both Ecover and the Vegan Society will continue to work on improving
ways to promote respect for our environment and society. 

A Brief Summary of Facts: 

1. Aquatic Toxicity Testing: Ecover undertakes daphnia testing, as
part of aquatic toxicity testing to establish impact on the aquatic
environment. This is a recognised test that allows is to monitor our
products against one of the key criteria for an ecological product,
i.e. its impact on the aquatic environment. 

2. Invittox (RBC) Test (Protocol 99): On a non-systematic basis,
Ecover has adopted this test as part of its product testing of skin
compatibility of detergents. This test is a variation of the red blood
cell test (RBC) and allows us to measure the effect of detergents on
mucus membranes. The techniques used to conduct this testing can be
found on the web site of the European Centre for the Validation of
Alternative Methods, under Protocol 99
(http://ecvam.jrc.it/index.htm). A mere 0.5 milliliters of rabbit
blood is used as the source of red blood cells to conduct one complete
test of a new product. In 2006 and 2007, Ecover performed 0 tests. 

3. Ecover Annual Output. In 2006, Ecover’s annual output consisted of
19,625,296 units in liters (l.) and 2,587,935 units in kilograms (kg)
giving a total of 22,213,231 units produced. 













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Gloria wrote:
> The false claims they made in the past about being Vegan have been
> exposed as lies, and they don't sound too humble about it!
> 
> There are still many companies selling ECOVER products as Vegan so
> they are obviously not too concerned about letting suppliers know the
> truth.
> 
> I am Very disappointed to learn this.
> 
> 
> News
> 
> 
> http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/News/Details.htm?ID=147
> Joint Statement by Ecover and The Vegan Society  [ 03-08-2007 ]
> 
> Ecover respects the mission and values of the Vegan Society who
> acknowledge that Ecover has 27 years of history as a company dedicated
> to protecting the environment. The Vegan Society recognizes Ecover as
> a company of integrity. As such the Vegan Society and Ecover are
> working together to ensure both organisations principles are adhered
> to.
> 
> 
> As a pioneering ecological company, Ecover’s responsibility is to
> continuously improve the environmental performance of its products. A
> major challenge in developing an ecological washing and cleaning
> product is minimizing the effects of its use on aquatic systems.
> Therefore, the toxicity of these products on aquatic life must be
> measured. 
> 
> To establish the impact on the aquatic environment Ecover uses aquatic
> toxicity testing which uses water fleas (daphnia), as they are present
> throughout the world in any freshwater system. As far as Ecover is
> aware there are no alternative tests available that will more
> accurately measure the impact of cleaning products on the aquatic
> environment. Ecover far exceeds the EU definition on what constitutes
> animal testing as daphnia are invertebrates which do not have a
> central nervous system. The EU definition defines animal testing as
> the use of vertebrates, past a specified embryonic stage, (or larval
> stage in the case of fish and amphibians). 
> 
> Ecover also uses a red blood cell test (Invittox RBC) on a
> non-systematic basis that uses blood from rabbit farming to test the
> effect of detergents on mucus membranes (to test skin
> compatability).This test is used only in those cases where alternative
> testing methods are unavailable. Given the shortage of human red blood
> cells Ecover believes the use of human blood would be unethical.
> However, as alternative testing methods are continuously investigated,
> Ecover is confident that the RBC test shall become obsolete over the
> next few years. 
> 
> Ecover respects the values of the Vegan Society and its members. Yet,
> as part of the company’s core values, Ecover owes its customers
> transparency and will continue to hold on to its principles as it has
> done so for the past 27 years. Thus, our organizations have mutually
> decided to disagree on these points of principle and consequently,
> Ecover shall no longer carry the Vegan trademark. 
> 
> Both Ecover and the Vegan Society will continue to work on improving
> ways to promote respect for our environment and society. 
> 
> A Brief Summary of Facts: 
> 
> 1. Aquatic Toxicity Testing: Ecover undertakes daphnia testing, as
> part of aquatic toxicity testing to establish impact on the aquatic
> environment. This is a recognised test that allows is to monitor our
> products against one of the key criteria for an ecological product,
> i.e. its impact on the aquatic environment. 
> 
> 2. Invittox (RBC) Test (Protocol 99): On a non-systematic basis,
> Ecover has adopted this test as part of its product testing of skin
> compatibility of detergents. This test is a variation of the red blood
> cell test (RBC) and allows us to measure the effect of detergents on
> mucus membranes. The techniques used to conduct this testing can be
> found on the web site of the European Centre for the Validation of
> Alternative Methods, under Protocol 99
> (http://ecvam.jrc.it/index.htm). A mere 0.5 milliliters of rabbit
> blood is used as the source of red blood cells to conduct one complete
> test of a new product. In 2006 and 2007, Ecover performed 0 tests. 
> 
> 3. Ecover Annual Output. In 2006, Ecover’s annual output consisted of
> 19,625,296 units in liters (l.) and 2,587,935 units in kilograms (kg)
> giving a total of 22,213,231 units produced. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk
It is a con to think anyone is a vegetarian in the true sense. Yes you 
can eat no meat, but all vegetables that are grown on a commercial scale 
involve killing God's creatures. Spend some time watching a farmer 
harvest a crop, and see for yourself.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:42:01 +0000, Broadback 
wrote:

>Gloria wrote:
>> The false claims they made in the past about being Vegan have been
>> exposed as lies, and they don't sound too humble about it!
>> 
>> There are still many companies selling ECOVER products as Vegan so
>> they are obviously not too concerned about letting suppliers know the
>> truth.
>> 
>> I am Very disappointed to learn this.
>> 
>> 
>> News
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/News/Details.htm?ID=147
>> Joint Statement by Ecover and The Vegan Society  [ 03-08-2007 ]
>> 
>> Ecover respects the mission and values of the Vegan Society who
>> acknowledge that Ecover has 27 years of history as a company dedicated
>> to protecting the environment. The Vegan Society recognizes Ecover as
>> a company of integrity. As such the Vegan Society and Ecover are
>> working together to ensure both organisations principles are adhered
>> to.
>> 
>> 
>> As a pioneering ecological company, Ecover’s responsibility is to
>> continuously improve the environmental performance of its products. A
>> major challenge in developing an ecological washing and cleaning
>> product is minimizing the effects of its use on aquatic systems.
>> Therefore, the toxicity of these products on aquatic life must be
>> measured. 
>> 
>> To establish the impact on the aquatic environment Ecover uses aquatic
>> toxicity testing which uses water fleas (daphnia), as they are present
>> throughout the world in any freshwater system. As far as Ecover is
>> aware there are no alternative tests available that will more
>> accurately measure the impact of cleaning products on the aquatic
>> environment. Ecover far exceeds the EU definition on what constitutes
>> animal testing as daphnia are invertebrates which do not have a
>> central nervous system. The EU definition defines animal testing as
>> the use of vertebrates, past a specified embryonic stage, (or larval
>> stage in the case of fish and amphibians). 
>> 
>> Ecover also uses a red blood cell test (Invittox RBC) on a
>> non-systematic basis that uses blood from rabbit farming to test the
>> effect of detergents on mucus membranes (to test skin
>> compatability).This test is used only in those cases where alternative
>> testing methods are unavailable. Given the shortage of human red blood
>> cells Ecover believes the use of human blood would be unethical.
>> However, as alternative testing methods are continuously investigated,
>> Ecover is confident that the RBC test shall become obsolete over the
>> next few years. 
>> 
>> Ecover respects the values of the Vegan Society and its members. Yet,
>> as part of the company’s core values, Ecover owes its customers
>> transparency and will continue to hold on to its principles as it has
>> done so for the past 27 years. Thus, our organizations have mutually
>> decided to disagree on these points of principle and consequently,
>> Ecover shall no longer carry the Vegan trademark. 
>> 
>> Both Ecover and the Vegan Society will continue to work on improving
>> ways to promote respect for our environment and society. 
>> 
>> A Brief Summary of Facts: 
>> 
>> 1. Aquatic Toxicity Testing: Ecover undertakes daphnia testing, as
>> part of aquatic toxicity testing to establish impact on the aquatic
>> environment. This is a recognised test that allows is to monitor our
>> products against one of the key criteria for an ecological product,
>> i.e. its impact on the aquatic environment. 
>> 
>> 2. Invittox (RBC) Test (Protocol 99): On a non-systematic basis,
>> Ecover has adopted this test as part of its product testing of skin
>> compatibility of detergents. This test is a variation of the red blood
>> cell test (RBC) and allows us to measure the effect of detergents on
>> mucus membranes. The techniques used to conduct this testing can be
>> found on the web site of the European Centre for the Validation of
>> Alternative Methods, under Protocol 99
>> (http://ecvam.jrc.it/index.htm). A mere 0.5 milliliters of rabbit
>> blood is used as the source of red blood cells to conduct one complete
>> test of a new product. In 2006 and 2007, Ecover performed 0 tests. 
>> 
>> 3. Ecover Annual Output. In 2006, Ecover’s annual output consisted of
>> 19,625,296 units in liters (l.) and 2,587,935 units in kilograms (kg)
>> giving a total of 22,213,231 units produced. 

>> pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk

>It is a con to think anyone is a vegetarian in the true sense. Yes you 
>can eat no meat, but all vegetables that are grown on a commercial scale 
>involve killing God's creatures. 

So does driving your car, or sitting on a bus. Accidents happen. Nice
to see you so concerned for animals, what about your health?

>Spend some time watching a farmer 
>harvest a crop, and see for yourself.

I have and you rarely find anything. You obviously have not.











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"Gloria"  wrote in message
news:4b6pj35rlsu67fsl0c5i54q2dpg221aa80@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:42:01 +0000, Broadback 
> wrote:
 > >Spend some time watching a farmer
> >harvest a crop, and see for yourself.
>
> I have and you rarely find anything. You obviously have not.
>

Even organic farming involves pest control. Not to mention all the millions
of worms, snails and other small animals killed by tractors just harvesting
the stuff.

The Ecover issue is more to do with the five year animal testing issue. That
should be changed from a rolling five years to a fixed date five years ago.

Fuck off Gloria no-one gives a fuck


"Gloria"  wrote in message 
news:mb3pj3l1auhod8b6qm510j9822trmgjbob@4ax.com...
> The false claims they made in the past about being Vegan have been
> exposed as lies, and they don't sound too humble about it!
>
> There are still many companies selling ECOVER products as Vegan so
> they are obviously not too concerned about letting suppliers know the
> truth.
>
> I am Very disappointed to learn this.
>
>
> News
>
>
> http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/News/Details.htm?ID=147
> Joint Statement by Ecover and The Vegan Society  [ 03-08-2007 ]
>
> Ecover respects the mission and values of the Vegan Society who
> acknowledge that Ecover has 27 years of history as a company dedicated
> to protecting the environment. The Vegan Society recognizes Ecover as
> a company of integrity. As such the Vegan Society and Ecover are
> working together to ensure both organisations principles are adhered
> to.
>
>
> As a pioneering ecological company, Ecover's responsibility is to
> continuously improve the environmental performance of its products. A
> major challenge in developing an ecological washing and cleaning
> product is minimizing the effects of its use on aquatic systems.
> Therefore, the toxicity of these products on aquatic life must be
> measured.
>
> To establish the impact on the aquatic environment Ecover uses aquatic
> toxicity testing which uses water fleas (daphnia), as they are present
> throughout the world in any freshwater system. As far as Ecover is
> aware there are no alternative tests available that will more
> accurately measure the impact of cleaning products on the aquatic
> environment. Ecover far exceeds the EU definition on what constitutes
> animal testing as daphnia are invertebrates which do not have a
> central nervous system. The EU definition defines animal testing as
> the use of vertebrates, past a specified embryonic stage, (or larval
> stage in the case of fish and amphibians).
>
> Ecover also uses a red blood cell test (Invittox RBC) on a
> non-systematic basis that uses blood from rabbit farming to test the
> effect of detergents on mucus membranes (to test skin
> compatability).This test is used only in those cases where alternative
> testing methods are unavailable. Given the shortage of human red blood
> cells Ecover believes the use of human blood would be unethical.
> However, as alternative testing methods are continuously investigated,
> Ecover is confident that the RBC test shall become obsolete over the
> next few years.
>
> Ecover respects the values of the Vegan Society and its members. Yet,
> as part of the company's core values, Ecover owes its customers
> transparency and will continue to hold on to its principles as it has
> done so for the past 27 years. Thus, our organizations have mutually
> decided to disagree on these points of principle and consequently,
> Ecover shall no longer carry the Vegan trademark.
>
> Both Ecover and the Vegan Society will continue to work on improving
> ways to promote respect for our environment and society.
>
> A Brief Summary of Facts:
>
> 1. Aquatic Toxicity Testing: Ecover undertakes daphnia testing, as
> part of aquatic toxicity testing to establish impact on the aquatic
> environment. This is a recognised test that allows is to monitor our
> products against one of the key criteria for an ecological product,
> i.e. its impact on the aquatic environment.
>
> 2. Invittox (RBC) Test (Protocol 99): On a non-systematic basis,
> Ecover has adopted this test as part of its product testing of skin
> compatibility of detergents. This test is a variation of the red blood
> cell test (RBC) and allows us to measure the effect of detergents on
> mucus membranes. The techniques used to conduct this testing can be
> found on the web site of the European Centre for the Validation of
> Alternative Methods, under Protocol 99
> (http://ecvam.jrc.it/index.htm). A mere 0.5 milliliters of rabbit
> blood is used as the source of red blood cells to conduct one complete
> test of a new product. In 2006 and 2007, Ecover performed 0 tests.
>
> 3. Ecover Annual Output. In 2006, Ecover's annual output consisted of
> 19,625,296 units in liters (l.) and 2,587,935 units in kilograms (kg)
> giving a total of 22,213,231 units produced.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk