here's the story............
got hold of a sata 2.5in laptop drive wd1600bevs, windows sees it, used it 
to store media files.
Thought I would try to install in either my sky+ thomson 160gb or my luxor 
250 gb pvr
Bought a sata to ide adapter which i used on my pc to see the drive, all ok.
Used copy + to place all of my recorded programs onto 2.5 disk, no problem, 
all copied ook
placed the adapter on the disk and connected to sky+ but nothing showed on 
tv, placed a jumper on
2.5 disk for slow power up and the sky box booted ok and could watch sky 
progs but not record or see copied programmes on the epg.
formatted disk as fat32 and connected to luxor 250 gb pvr both disks sata 
the original is 3.5 250gb
tried all sorts of ways to read disk but even though I could use luxor box 
there was no hard disk shown in setup.
anybody any clues why not, the 2.5 sata connected ok to the luxor(straght 
cable swap.)

Different PVRs use different disk formats to store programmes.  For
example, my Pace Twin uses STAVS (IIR the acronym C) ...
	http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TwinRIP/
... my Panasonic HD/DVD recorder uses its own proprietary format which
is similar to the DVD-RAM format ...

http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/AudioVisualTV/PanasonicDMRE100H/PanasonicDMRE100HHardDisks.html
... Dreamboxes and some others use Linux as the Operating System and
therefore Linux disk formats ...
	http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/en/dm-8000-hd-pvr

Not sure what $ky and Luxor use, but it's quite possibly not a Windows
format, and if you haven't already you should check this point out
before you do anything else.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:06:11 +0100, "critcher"
 wrote:

> here's the story............
> got hold of a sata 2.5in laptop drive wd1600bevs, windows sees it, used it 
> to store media files.
> Thought I would try to install in either my sky+ thomson 160gb or my luxor 
> 250 gb pvr
> Bought a sata to ide adapter which i used on my pc to see the drive, all ok.
> Used copy + to place all of my recorded programs onto 2.5 disk, no problem, 
> all copied ook
> placed the adapter on the disk and connected to sky+ but nothing showed on 
> tv, placed a jumper on
> 2.5 disk for slow power up and the sky box booted ok and could watch sky 
> progs but not record or see copied programmes on the epg.
> formatted disk as fat32 and connected to luxor 250 gb pvr both disks sata 
> the original is 3.5 250gb
> tried all sorts of ways to read disk but even though I could use luxor box 
> there was no hard disk shown in setup.
> anybody any clues why not, the 2.5 sata connected ok to the luxor(straght 
> cable swap.)
> 
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"Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Different PVRs use different disk formats to store programmes.  For
> example, my Pace Twin uses STAVS (IIR the acronym C) ...
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TwinRIP/
> ... my Panasonic HD/DVD recorder uses its own proprietary format which
> is similar to the DVD-RAM format ...
>
> http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/AudioVisualTV/PanasonicDMRE100H/PanasonicDMRE100HHardDisks.html
> ... Dreamboxes and some others use Linux as the Operating System and
> therefore Linux disk formats ...
> http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/en/dm-8000-hd-pvr
>
> Not sure what $ky and Luxor use, but it's quite possibly not a Windows
> format, and if you haven't already you should check this point out
> before you do anything else.
>
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:06:11 +0100, "critcher"
>  wrote:
>
>> here's the story............
>> got hold of a sata 2.5in laptop drive wd1600bevs, windows sees it, used 
>> it
>> to store media files.
>> Thought I would try to install in either my sky+ thomson 160gb or my 
>> luxor
>> 250 gb pvr
>> Bought a sata to ide adapter which i used on my pc to see the drive, all 
>> ok.
>> Used copy + to place all of my recorded programs onto 2.5 disk, no 
>> problem,
>> all copied ook
>> placed the adapter on the disk and connected to sky+ but nothing showed 
>> on
>> tv, placed a jumper on
>> 2.5 disk for slow power up and the sky box booted ok and could watch sky
>> progs but not record or see copied programmes on the epg.
>> formatted disk as fat32 and connected to luxor 250 gb pvr both disks sata
>> the original is 3.5 250gb
>> tried all sorts of ways to read disk but even though I could use luxor 
>> box
>> there was no hard disk shown in setup.
>> anybody any clues why not, the 2.5 sata connected ok to the luxor(straght
>> cable swap.)
>>
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appreciate that, but as far as i'm aware fat32 is what most os's can see .
in the luxor, it's a straight swap sata for sata except one drive is 3.5 the 
other 2.5. the luxor has a format utility but it deosn't seem to be able to 
format the disk.

"critcher"  wrote in message 
news:hadgnm$emq$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> "Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:8cekc59f4gd5s7dv554p161jr3chpgiec3@4ax.com...
>> Different PVRs use different disk formats to store programmes.  For
>> example, my Pace Twin uses STAVS (IIR the acronym C) ...
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TwinRIP/
>> ... my Panasonic HD/DVD recorder uses its own proprietary format which
>> is similar to the DVD-RAM format ...
>>
>> http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/AudioVisualTV/PanasonicDMRE100H/PanasonicDMRE100HHardDisks.html
>> ... Dreamboxes and some others use Linux as the Operating System and
>> therefore Linux disk formats ...
>> http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/en/dm-8000-hd-pvr
>>
>> Not sure what $ky and Luxor use, but it's quite possibly not a Windows
>> format, and if you haven't already you should check this point out
>> before you do anything else.
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:06:11 +0100, "critcher"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> here's the story............
>>> got hold of a sata 2.5in laptop drive wd1600bevs, windows sees it, used 
>>> it
>>> to store media files.
>>> Thought I would try to install in either my sky+ thomson 160gb or my 
>>> luxor
>>> 250 gb pvr
>>> Bought a sata to ide adapter which i used on my pc to see the drive, all 
>>> ok.
>>> Used copy + to place all of my recorded programs onto 2.5 disk, no 
>>> problem,
>>> all copied ook
>>> placed the adapter on the disk and connected to sky+ but nothing showed 
>>> on
>>> tv, placed a jumper on
>>> 2.5 disk for slow power up and the sky box booted ok and could watch sky
>>> progs but not record or see copied programmes on the epg.
>>> formatted disk as fat32 and connected to luxor 250 gb pvr both disks 
>>> sata
>>> the original is 3.5 250gb
>>> tried all sorts of ways to read disk but even though I could use luxor 
>>> box
>>> there was no hard disk shown in setup.
>>> anybody any clues why not, the 2.5 sata connected ok to the 
>>> luxor(straght
>>> cable swap.)
>>>
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>> Please always reply to ng as the email in this post's
>> header does not exist.  Or use a contact addresses at:
>> http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/JavaJive.html
>> http://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Macfarlane.html
>
>
> appreciate that, but as far as i'm aware fat32 is what most os's can see .
> in the luxor, it's a straight swap sata for sata except one drive is 3.5 
> the other 2.5. the luxor has a format utility but it deosn't seem to be 
> able to format the disk.

can i format the drive with linux and if so, how.
>
>

Sky+ and Sky HD receivers cannot recognise the FAT16, FAT32 or 
NTFS formats.

Sky+ uses the proprietary XTV format.

The Copy+ utility should format the drive automatically. 
However, I suspect you might need to use the file conversion 
option in http://www.skycopyplus.co.uk/instructions35.php to use 
your drive with a "Big-Endian" or "Little Endian CPU" (depending 
upon the make and model of your receiver).  You will find 
instructions at www.skycopyplus.co.uk/instructions.php.

Incidentally, the FAQ at 
www.skycopyplus.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=131&hilit=NTFS 
states:

"Please do NOT format your destination disk.  Initialise it, but 
do NOT format it

If you have formatted it NTFS, use Windows Disk Management to 
delete the partition.  Copy+ does all its own formatting to the 
special XTV format used by Sky. It only recognises initialised 
UN-formatted disks as valid destinations.  This ensures it never 
overwrites existing volumes on your system."

If necessary, you could seek detailed help on one of the Copy+ 
forums at www.skycopyplus.co.uk/forum/index.php - or you could 
contact Copy+ at www.skycopyplus.co.uk/contact.php.



"critcher"  wrote in message 
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>
> "critcher"  wrote in message 
> news:hadgnm$emq$1@news.albasani.net...
>>
>> "Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:8cekc59f4gd5s7dv554p161jr3chpgiec3@4ax.com...
>>> Different PVRs use different disk formats to store 
>>> programmes.  For
>>> example, my Pace Twin uses STAVS (IIR the acronym C) ...
>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TwinRIP/
>>> ... my Panasonic HD/DVD recorder uses its own proprietary 
>>> format which
>>> is similar to the DVD-RAM format ...
>>>
>>> http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/AudioVisualTV/PanasonicDMRE100H/PanasonicDMRE100HHardDisks.html
>>> ... Dreamboxes and some others use Linux as the Operating 
>>> System and
>>> therefore Linux disk formats ...
>>> http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/en/dm-8000-hd-pvr
>>>
>>> Not sure what $ky and Luxor use, but it's quite possibly not 
>>> a Windows
>>> format, and if you haven't already you should check this 
>>> point out
>>> before you do anything else.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:06:11 +0100, "critcher"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> here's the story............
>>>> got hold of a sata 2.5in laptop drive wd1600bevs, windows 
>>>> sees it, used it
>>>> to store media files.
>>>> Thought I would try to install in either my sky+ thomson 
>>>> 160gb or my luxor
>>>> 250 gb pvr
>>>> Bought a sata to ide adapter which i used on my pc to see 
>>>> the drive, all ok.
>>>> Used copy + to place all of my recorded programs onto 2.5 
>>>> disk, no problem,
>>>> all copied ook
>>>> placed the adapter on the disk and connected to sky+ but 
>>>> nothing showed on
>>>> tv, placed a jumper on
>>>> 2.5 disk for slow power up and the sky box booted ok and 
>>>> could watch sky
>>>> progs but not record or see copied programmes on the epg.
>>>> formatted disk as fat32 and connected to luxor 250 gb pvr 
>>>> both disks sata
>>>> the original is 3.5 250gb
>>>> tried all sorts of ways to read disk but even though I could 
>>>> use luxor box
>>>> there was no hard disk shown in setup.
>>>> anybody any clues why not, the 2.5 sata connected ok to the 
>>>> luxor(straght
>>>> cable swap.)
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> =========================================================
>>> Please always reply to ng as the email in this post's
>>> header does not exist.  Or use a contact addresses at:
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>>> http://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Macfarlane.html
>>
>>
>> appreciate that, but as far as i'm aware fat32 is what most 
>> os's can see .
>> in the luxor, it's a straight swap sata for sata except one 
>> drive is 3.5 the other 2.5. the luxor has a format utility but 
>> it deosn't seem to be able to format the disk.
>
> can i format the drive with linux and if so, how.
>>
>>
>
>

Just because FAT32 is understood by both Windows and Linux is
absolutely no guarantee that a PVR will understand it, though a poster
here suggests that a variant of it is what $ky+ uses ...
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=186426
... however, such is the general uncertainty in the thread that I'm
not sure that suggestion is trustworthy.  Even if it is, it's one
thing to successfully retrieve video off a hard-disk, quite another to
format one from new with self-consistent information containing video
data that will be understood and read by a PVR, and allow further
programmes to be recorded by it without corrupting the pre-existing
programmes.

As formatting with Linux, you could download and burn any of the Linux
Live CDs/DVDs and use that to format a disk in ext2/3 or reiferfs, but
why go to all that trouble if you haven't even been able to establish
what format is used by the PVR?

I would have thought the first thing would be to insert a blank disk
in each PVR, format it using the PVR, record one or two programmes
onto it, and then examine the format at sector level in a PC.  That
might tell you what format it really is.  You could then work from
there.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:18:48 +0100, "critcher"
 wrote:
> 
> "critcher"  wrote in message 
> news:hadgnm$emq$1@news.albasani.net...
> >
> > appreciate that, but as far as i'm aware fat32 is what most os's can see .
> > in the luxor, it's a straight swap sata for sata except one drive is 3.5 
> > the other 2.5. the luxor has a format utility but it deosn't seem to be 
> > able to format the disk.
> 
> can i format the drive with linux and if so, how.
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"critcher"  wrote in message 
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> here's the story............
> got hold of a sata 2.5in laptop drive wd1600bevs, windows sees it, used it 
> to store media files.
> Thought I would try to install in either my sky+ thomson 160gb or my luxor 
> 250 gb pvr
> Bought a sata to ide adapter which i used on my pc to see the drive, all 
> ok.
> Used copy + to place all of my recorded programs onto 2.5 disk, no 
> problem, all copied ook
> placed the adapter on the disk and connected to sky+ but nothing showed on 
> tv, placed a jumper on
> 2.5 disk for slow power up and the sky box booted ok and could watch sky 
> progs but not record or see copied programmes on the epg.
> formatted disk as fat32 and connected to luxor 250 gb pvr both disks sata 
> the original is 3.5 250gb
> tried all sorts of ways to read disk but even though I could use luxor box 
> there was no hard disk shown in setup.
> anybody any clues why not, the 2.5 sata connected ok to the luxor(straght 
> cable swap.)
>
>

This might help:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=changing+sky%2B+hard+drive&meta=&btnG=Google+Search

Fat 32? Really?
Brian

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"critcher"  wrote in message 
news:hadcir$7j2$1@news.albasani.net...
> here's the story............
> got hold of a sata 2.5in laptop drive wd1600bevs, windows sees it, used it 
> to store media files.
> Thought I would try to install in either my sky+ thomson 160gb or my luxor 
> 250 gb pvr
> Bought a sata to ide adapter which i used on my pc to see the drive, all 
> ok.
> Used copy + to place all of my recorded programs onto 2.5 disk, no 
> problem, all copied ook
> placed the adapter on the disk and connected to sky+ but nothing showed on 
> tv, placed a jumper on
> 2.5 disk for slow power up and the sky box booted ok and could watch sky 
> progs but not record or see copied programmes on the epg.
> formatted disk as fat32 and connected to luxor 250 gb pvr both disks sata 
> the original is 3.5 250gb
> tried all sorts of ways to read disk but even though I could use luxor box 
> there was no hard disk shown in setup.
> anybody any clues why not, the 2.5 sata connected ok to the luxor(straght 
> cable swap.)
>
>

Fat 32 has a four gb limit of course due to the number of bytes used to 
describe the space used, so I'd doubt any pvr uses this format.

Brian

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"critcher"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:8cekc59f4gd5s7dv554p161jr3chpgiec3@4ax.com...
>> Different PVRs use different disk formats to store programmes.  For
>> example, my Pace Twin uses STAVS (IIR the acronym C) ...
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TwinRIP/
>> ... my Panasonic HD/DVD recorder uses its own proprietary format which
>> is similar to the DVD-RAM format ...
>>
>> http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/AudioVisualTV/PanasonicDMRE100H/PanasonicDMRE100HHardDisks.html
>> ... Dreamboxes and some others use Linux as the Operating System and
>> therefore Linux disk formats ...
>> http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/en/dm-8000-hd-pvr
>>
>> Not sure what $ky and Luxor use, but it's quite possibly not a Windows
>> format, and if you haven't already you should check this point out
>> before you do anything else.
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:06:11 +0100, "critcher"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> here's the story............
>>> got hold of a sata 2.5in laptop drive wd1600bevs, windows sees it, used 
>>> it
>>> to store media files.
>>> Thought I would try to install in either my sky+ thomson 160gb or my 
>>> luxor
>>> 250 gb pvr
>>> Bought a sata to ide adapter which i used on my pc to see the drive, all 
>>> ok.
>>> Used copy + to place all of my recorded programs onto 2.5 disk, no 
>>> problem,
>>> all copied ook
>>> placed the adapter on the disk and connected to sky+ but nothing showed 
>>> on
>>> tv, placed a jumper on
>>> 2.5 disk for slow power up and the sky box booted ok and could watch sky
>>> progs but not record or see copied programmes on the epg.
>>> formatted disk as fat32 and connected to luxor 250 gb pvr both disks 
>>> sata
>>> the original is 3.5 250gb
>>> tried all sorts of ways to read disk but even though I could use luxor 
>>> box
>>> there was no hard disk shown in setup.
>>> anybody any clues why not, the 2.5 sata connected ok to the 
>>> luxor(straght
>>> cable swap.)
>>>
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>
>
> appreciate that, but as far as i'm aware fat32 is what most os's can see .
> in the luxor, it's a straight swap sata for sata except one drive is 3.5 
> the other 2.5. the luxor has a format utility but it deosn't seem to be 
> able to format the disk.
>

> "critcher"  wrote in message 
> news:hadcir$7j2$1@news.albasani.net...
>> here's the story............
>> got hold of a sata 2.5in laptop drive wd1600bevs, windows sees it, used 
>> it to store media files.
>> Thought I would try to install in either my sky+ thomson 160gb or my 
>> luxor 250 gb pvr
>> Bought a sata to ide adapter which i used on my pc to see the drive, all 
>> ok.
>> Used copy + to place all of my recorded programs onto 2.5 disk, no 
>> problem, all copied ook
>> placed the adapter on the disk and connected to sky+ but nothing showed 
>> on tv, placed a jumper on
>> 2.5 disk for slow power up and the sky box booted ok and could watch sky 
>> progs but not record or see copied programmes on the epg.
>> formatted disk as fat32 and connected to luxor 250 gb pvr both disks sata 
>> the original is 3.5 250gb
>> tried all sorts of ways to read disk but even though I could use luxor 
>> box there was no hard disk shown in setup.
>> anybody any clues why not, the 2.5 sata connected ok to the luxor(straght 
>> cable swap.)
>>
>>
> critcher said.................
I have used all the different ways to present the files on the disk by using 
copy+ but I think the sky box can't see the disk because there is no way to 
use cable select like you do with an IDE disk in a sky+ box.
>

In article <YNDym.11$KR3.1@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
Brian Gaff  wrote:

>Fat 32 has a four gb limit of course due to the number of bytes used to 
>describe the space used, so I'd doubt any pvr uses this format.

That's the maximum size of individual files; it would be possible to
store a program as multiple files.

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