On Aug 13, 6:00 am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article ,
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> Hulahoop   wrote:
> >On Aug 13, 4:46=A0am, Dave Cross  wrote:
> >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:18:46 -0700, Hulahoop wrote:
> >> > On Aug 12, 3:24=A0pm, Dave Cross  wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:45:57 퍍, The Doctor wrote:
> >> >> > In article <dZlgm.48259$Di1....@newsfe12.ams2>, Dave Cross
> >> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> >>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:18:17 퍍, The Doctor wrote:
>
> >> >> >>> In article <sd7gm.273662$Sn5.249...@newsfe26.ams2>, Dave Cross
> >> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:04 퍍, The Doctor wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>> In article <f%0gm.214772$xB.27...@newsfe10.ams2>, Dave Cross
> >> >> >>>>>  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:10:13 퍍, The Doctor wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>>>> In article <F2Ofm.265205$Ib5.25...@newsfe24.ams2>, Dave Cross
> >> >> >>>>>>>  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:17:18 퍍, The Doctor wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> In article <aUGfm.246935$TZ2.19...@newsfe13.ams2>, Dave Cros=
> >s
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:58:50 퍍, The Doctor wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <u_ufm.167268$fS3.137...@newsfe05.ams2>, Dave
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:29:25 퍍, The Doctor wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <EJefm.167242$fS3.51...@newsfe05.ams2>, Dave
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:20:33 퍍, The Doctor wrote:
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> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <Y9afm.50309$Kh7.21...@newsfe03.ams2>, Dave
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:29:23 퍍, The Doctor wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <MGvcm.21813$Th1.8...@newsfe02.ams2>, Dav=
> >e
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:26:00 퍍, The Doctor wrote=
> >:
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> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as 25% of humanity is left handed.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can't even get that right. It's more like 7 or
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10%.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But what's your point?
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7 to 10?? =A0Not with the probability model.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The 7 to 10% number doesn't come from a model. It come=
> >s
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from empirical measurement.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any model that doesn't predict those percentages must
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be flawed.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concurred. =A0Carbon 14 does have a =A0huge error itse=
> >lf.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>This is you changing the subject again, isn't it? Carbon
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>14 has _nothing_ to do with estimating the number of
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>left-handed people in the world.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Probability involed with the degree of truth.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>A classic example of Yads at work. When a discussion is
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>going in a direction that you don't like, you take it off
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>on a random tangent (here, by mentioning Carbon 14). When
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>you are called on that tactic, you just spout random
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>nonsense.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>I'm sure you think that you are making sense. But in your
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>efforts to make a thousand posts a day, your clarity
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>suffers badly. You miss out huge sections of your argument
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>and your posts appear to largely be unrelated nonsense.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>If you made half the number of posts each day and made
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>twice the effort on each one then it's very likely that
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>people would understand more of what you are trying to say=
> >.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>They might even stop accusing you of trolling.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> All right what is the probability of 6 fingers per hand on
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a person?
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>About 1 in 500 live births.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> =A0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>Where are you going with this?
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> What about Brown Eyes vs Blue Eyes?
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>It varies according to race.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>What is your point?
>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Right then do you recall your biology class from ages 12 to 18
> >> >> >>>>>>> ?
>
> >> >> >>>>>>Well, I only studied biology until I was 14. But I've read aroun=
> >d
> >> >> >>>>>>the subject a lot since then.
>
> >> >> >>>>>>Why are you drawing this out so much? Please come to the point.
>
> >> >> >>>>> Point is genetics are thought with domanant traits and recessive
> >> >> >>>>> traits at that level.
>
> >> >> >>>>Ok. No argument there. And?
>
> >> >> >>> And do you recall the dominant and recessive traits during that
> >> >> >>> time?
>
> >> >> >>I've already said I agreed with that point.
>
> >> >> >>Look, do you have a point here? I'm going on holiday in two days and
> >> >> >>I'd really like to have got to the bottom of your nonsense by then.
>
> >> >> > Do you believe everything you are taught?
>
> >> >> No, of course not. You read around the subject and come to your own
> >> >> conclusions about the truth.
>
> >> >> You don't have a point, do you?
>
> >> > Dave is pointless?
>
> >> > I could agree to that
>
> >> > I have to say how impressed I am of your patience with the old troll
>
> >> When I'm in the right mood (as I have been for the last few days) it
> >> amuses me to try and get to the bottom of his way of thinking.
>
> >> Dave...- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> >Bloody hell you are an optimist
>
> >Why not try solving one or all of the following instead:
> >*   Global Financial Crisis
> >*   Global Warming
> >*   Global Hunger
> >*   World Peace
>
> >They strike me as being a damn sight easier then trying to understand
> >the labyrinthine corridors that make up his mind and the way it works
>
> >Regards
>
> >Ged
>
> Reality can be painful.
> --



You should know. Every one of us gives you a healthy dose of it every
day.

In article ,
Mr.Smartypants  wrote:
>On Aug 13, 6:00=A0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <e3f5d7a8-0873-495d-8d9c-2c320d5e3...@c14g2000yqm.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hulahoop =A0 wrote:
>> >On Aug 13, 4:46=3DA0am, Dave Cross  wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:18:46 -0700, Hulahoop wrote:
>> >> > On Aug 12, 3:24=3DA0pm, Dave Cross  wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:45:57 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>> >> >> > In article <dZlgm.48259$Di1....@newsfe12.ams2>, Dave Cross
>> >> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> >>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:18:17 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>> In article <sd7gm.273662$Sn5.249...@newsfe26.ams2>, Dave Cross
>> >> >> >>>  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:04 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>> In article <f%0gm.214772$xB.27...@newsfe10.ams2>, Dave Cross
>> >> >> >>>>>  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:10:13 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> In article <F2Ofm.265205$Ib5.25...@newsfe24.ams2>, Dave Cro=
>ss
>> >> >> >>>>>>>  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:17:18 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> In article <aUGfm.246935$TZ2.19...@newsfe13.ams2>, Dave C=
>ros=3D
>> >s
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:58:50 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <u_ufm.167268$fS3.137...@newsfe05.ams2>, Dav=
>e
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:29:25 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <EJefm.167242$fS3.51...@newsfe05.ams2>, Da=
>ve
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:20:33 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <Y9afm.50309$Kh7.21...@newsfe03.ams2>, D=
>ave
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:29:23 +0000, The Doctor wrot=
>e:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <MGvcm.21813$Th1.8...@newsfe02.ams2>, =
>Dav=3D
>> >e
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:26:00 +0000, The Doctor wr=
>ote=3D
>> >:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as 25% of humanity is left handed.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can't even get that right. It's more like 7 o=
>r
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10%.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But what's your point?
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7 to 10?? =3DA0Not with the probability model.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The 7 to 10% number doesn't come from a model. It c=
>ome=3D
>> >s
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from empirical measurement.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any model that doesn't predict those percentages mu=
>st
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be flawed.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concurred. =3DA0Carbon 14 does have a =3DA0huge err=
>or itse=3D
>> >lf.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>This is you changing the subject again, isn't it? Car=
>bon
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>14 has _nothing_ to do with estimating the number of
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>left-handed people in the world.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Probability involed with the degree of truth.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>A classic example of Yads at work. When a discussion is
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>going in a direction that you don't like, you take it o=
>ff
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>on a random tangent (here, by mentioning Carbon 14). Wh=
>en
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>you are called on that tactic, you just spout random
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>nonsense.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>I'm sure you think that you are making sense. But in yo=
>ur
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>efforts to make a thousand posts a day, your clarity
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>suffers badly. You miss out huge sections of your argum=
>ent
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>and your posts appear to largely be unrelated nonsense.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>If you made half the number of posts each day and made
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>twice the effort on each one then it's very likely that
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>people would understand more of what you are trying to =
>say=3D
>> >.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>They might even stop accusing you of trolling.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> All right what is the probability of 6 fingers per hand=
> on
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a person?
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>About 1 in 500 live births.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> =3DA0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>Where are you going with this?
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> What about Brown Eyes vs Blue Eyes?
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>It varies according to race.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>What is your point?
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Right then do you recall your biology class from ages 12 to=
> 18
>> >> >> >>>>>>> ?
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>Well, I only studied biology until I was 14. But I've read ar=
>oun=3D
>> >d
>> >> >> >>>>>>the subject a lot since then.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>Why are you drawing this out so much? Please come to the poin=
>t.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Point is genetics are thought with domanant traits and recess=
>ive
>> >> >> >>>>> traits at that level.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>Ok. No argument there. And?
>>
>> >> >> >>> And do you recall the dominant and recessive traits during that
>> >> >> >>> time?
>>
>> >> >> >>I've already said I agreed with that point.
>>
>> >> >> >>Look, do you have a point here? I'm going on holiday in two days =
>and
>> >> >> >>I'd really like to have got to the bottom of your nonsense by the=
>n.
>>
>> >> >> > Do you believe everything you are taught?
>>
>> >> >> No, of course not. You read around the subject and come to your own
>> >> >> conclusions about the truth.
>>
>> >> >> You don't have a point, do you?
>>
>> >> > Dave is pointless?
>>
>> >> > I could agree to that
>>
>> >> > I have to say how impressed I am of your patience with the old troll
>>
>> >> When I'm in the right mood (as I have been for the last few days) it
>> >> amuses me to try and get to the bottom of his way of thinking.
>>
>> >> Dave...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Bloody hell you are an optimist
>>
>> >Why not try solving one or all of the following instead:
>> >* =A0 Global Financial Crisis
>> >* =A0 Global Warming
>> >* =A0 Global Hunger
>> >* =A0 World Peace
>>
>> >They strike me as being a damn sight easier then trying to understand
>> >the labyrinthine corridors that make up his mind and the way it works
>>
>> >Regards
>>
>> >Ged
>>
>> Reality can be painful.
>> --
>
>
>
>You should know. Every one of us gives you a healthy dose of it every
>day.
>

Then again you are caught inthe nightmare of your own making.
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