On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:26:50 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article <fmsgm.367559$TZ2.222326@newsfe13.ams2>, Dave Cross 
>  wrote:
>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:45:57 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article <dZlgm.48259$Di1.510@newsfe12.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>  wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:18:17 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <sd7gm.273662$Sn5.249842@newsfe26.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:04 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <f%0gm.214772$xB.27829@newsfe10.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:10:13 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <F2Ofm.265205$Ib5.25350@newsfe24.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:17:18 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <aUGfm.246935$TZ2.19757@newsfe13.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:58:50 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <u_ufm.167268$fS3.137832@newsfe05.ams2>, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:29:25 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <EJefm.167242$fS3.51811@newsfe05.ams2>, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:20:33 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <Y9afm.50309$Kh7.21693@newsfe03.ams2>, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:29:23 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <MGvcm.21813$Th1.8971@newsfe02.ams2>, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:26:00 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as 25% of humanity is left handed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can't even get that right. It's more like 7 or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10%.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But what's your point?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7 to 10??  Not with the probability model.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The 7 to 10% number doesn't come from a model. It comes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from empirical measurement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any model that doesn't predict those percentages must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>flawed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concurred.  Carbon 14 does have a  huge error itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This is you changing the subject again, isn't it? Carbon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>14 has _nothing_ to do with estimating the number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>left-handed people in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probability involed with the degree of truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A classic example of Yads at work. When a discussion is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>going in a direction that you don't like, you take it off on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a random tangent (here, by mentioning Carbon 14). When you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are called on that tactic, you just spout random nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm sure you think that you are making sense. But in your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>efforts to make a thousand posts a day, your clarity suffers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>badly. You miss out huge sections of your argument and your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>posts appear to largely be unrelated nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you made half the number of posts each day and made twice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the effort on each one then it's very likely that people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would understand more of what you are trying to say. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>might even stop accusing you of trolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All right what is the probability of 6 fingers per hand on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>About 1 in 500 live births.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Where are you going with this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What about Brown Eyes vs Blue Eyes?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It varies according to race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What is your point?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right then do you recall your biology class from ages 12 to 18 ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, I only studied biology until I was 14. But I've read around
>>>>>>>>the subject a lot since then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why are you drawing this out so much? Please come to the point.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Point is genetics are thought with domanant traits and recessive
>>>>>>> traits at that level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok. No argument there. And?
>>>>> 
>>>>> And do you recall the dominant and recessive traits during that
>>>>> time?
>>>>
>>>>I've already said I agreed with that point.
>>>>
>>>>Look, do you have a point here? I'm going on holiday in two days and
>>>>I'd really like to have got to the bottom of your nonsense by then.
>>> 
>>> Do you believe everything you are taught?
>>
>>No, of course not. You read around the subject and come to your own
>>conclusions about the truth.
>>
>>You don't have a point, do you?
> 
> You just porved my point.

I don't think I "porved" or even "proved" anything. But no doubt you're 
planning on wasting another dozen or so posts attempting to demonstrate 
that I have.

Dave...

In article <FvGgm.207358$m%4.110094@newsfe25.ams2>,
Dave Cross   wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:06:21 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <s8Egm.55805$Di1.25390@newsfe12.ams2>, Dave Cross 
>>  wrote:
>>>On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:26:50 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <fmsgm.367559$TZ2.222326@newsfe13.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:45:57 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <dZlgm.48259$Di1.510@newsfe12.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:18:17 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <sd7gm.273662$Sn5.249842@newsfe26.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:04 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <f%0gm.214772$xB.27829@newsfe10.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:10:13 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <F2Ofm.265205$Ib5.25350@newsfe24.ams2>, Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:17:18 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <aUGfm.246935$TZ2.19757@newsfe13.ams2>, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:58:50 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <u_ufm.167268$fS3.137832@newsfe05.ams2>, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:29:25 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <EJefm.167242$fS3.51811@newsfe05.ams2>, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:20:33 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <Y9afm.50309$Kh7.21693@newsfe03.ams2>, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:29:23 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <MGvcm.21813$Th1.8971@newsfe02.ams2>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:26:00 +0000, The Doctor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as 25% of humanity is left handed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can't even get that right. It's more like 7 or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10%.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But what's your point?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7 to 10??  Not with the probability model.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The 7 to 10% number doesn't come from a model. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>comes from empirical measurement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any model that doesn't predict those percentages must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be flawed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concurred.  Carbon 14 does have a  huge error itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This is you changing the subject again, isn't it? Carbon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>14 has _nothing_ to do with estimating the number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>left-handed people in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probability involed with the degree of truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A classic example of Yads at work. When a discussion is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>going in a direction that you don't like, you take it off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on a random tangent (here, by mentioning Carbon 14). When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you are called on that tactic, you just spout random
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm sure you think that you are making sense. But in your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>efforts to make a thousand posts a day, your clarity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suffers badly. You miss out huge sections of your argument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and your posts appear to largely be unrelated nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you made half the number of posts each day and made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>twice the effort on each one then it's very likely that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people would understand more of what you are trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>say. They might even stop accusing you of trolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All right what is the probability of 6 fingers per hand on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a person?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>About 1 in 500 live births.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Where are you going with this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Brown Eyes vs Blue Eyes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It varies according to race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your point?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right then do you recall your biology class from ages 12 to 18
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well, I only studied biology until I was 14. But I've read
>>>>>>>>>>>around the subject a lot since then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why are you drawing this out so much? Please come to the point.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Point is genetics are thought with domanant traits and recessive
>>>>>>>>>> traits at that level.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ok. No argument there. And?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And do you recall the dominant and recessive traits during that
>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've already said I agreed with that point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Look, do you have a point here? I'm going on holiday in two days and
>>>>>>>I'd really like to have got to the bottom of your nonsense by then.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you believe everything you are taught?
>>>>>
>>>>>No, of course not. You read around the subject and come to your own
>>>>>conclusions about the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't have a point, do you?
>>>> 
>>>> You just porved my point.
>>>
>>>I don't think I "porved" or even "proved" anything. But no doubt you're
>>>planning on wasting another dozen or so posts attempting to demonstrate
>>>that I have.
>> 
>> Come on.
>> 
>> The process of eaching genetics includes dominant traaits vs recessive
>> traits.
>
>I've already said, twice, that I agree with that.
>
>You seem to have stalled. Try moving the debate forward.
>
>Dave...

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