http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Heanor-Town-Council-object-to.4161135.jp

A CONTROVERSIAL BNP festival to be held for the second year running in
Denby has been met with objections from Heanor Town Council.
The red, white and blue festival, organised by the British National
Party was held on land owned by former BNP councillor Alan Warner at
Codnor Denby Lane, for the first time in July.

Now an application to have live music and to serve alcohol at the second
festival on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, August 15, 16 and 17, to be
held at the same location, has been submitted to Amber Valley Borough
Council.

Speaking at the latest meeting of Heanor Town Council, Cllr Bob Moon
said: "The town council have made a submission about the red, white and
blue festival.

"Last year there was a lot of noise coming from the site, before and
after the event with people making a lot of noise late into the night."
The town council, which also objected to the event last year, nominated
two members to attend the licensing meeting of the borough council on
Tuesday, June 10, when a decision on whether to allow live music and
alcohol at the event will be made.

Cllr Moon said that to be consistent the council would also object to
another separate festival, called Chill Out, set to take place in Denby
the following week.

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene.@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:00sj44d7kv19513ke4r2qdiv34ua73dn2v@4ax.com...
> http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Heanor-Town-Council-object-to.4161135.jp

> "Last year there was a lot of noise coming from the site, before and
> after the event with people making a lot of noise late into the night."
> The town council, which also objected to the event last year, nominated
> two members to attend the licensing meeting of the borough council on
> Tuesday, June 10, when a decision on whether to allow live music and
> alcohol at the event will be made.
>

A noisy Festival, theres a novel thing.

Steve Greene wrote:

> http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Heanor-Town-Council-object-t
> o.4161135.jp
> 
> A CONTROVERSIAL BNP festival to be held for the second year running in
> Cllr Moon said that to be consistent the council would also object to
> another separate festival, called Chill Out, set to take place in
> Denby the following week.

To be uber consistent the councils are also banning the Notting hill
carnival.

--

Steve Greene wrote:
> http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Heanor-Town-Council-object-to.4161135.jp
> 
> A CONTROVERSIAL BNP festival to be held for the second year running in
> Denby has been met with objections from Heanor Town Council.
> The red, white and blue festival, organised by the British National
> Party was held on land owned by former BNP councillor Alan Warner at
> Codnor Denby Lane, for the first time in July.
> 

Vicar backs bid to drive BNP's annual bash from the county

Chris Mallett

A Vicar has called for opposition to British National Party plans to 
hold its annual festival in Derbyshire for the next two years.

The BNP held Red, White and Blue, near Denby, in July, and wants to hold 
it there again next year and in 2009.

But the Rev Ken Horleston, vicar for St Clement's Church in Horsley, 
said he believed the festival was bad for Amber Valley.

He said he felt guilty for not doing more to stop this year's event and 
had the backing of the area's other vicars in saying Christians should 
not support the party.

Mr Horleston, 57, said: "As far as my guilt is concerned, I did nothing 
to try and stop the Denby event taking place but now wish to make my 
opposition clear.

"If Red, White and Blue becomes an annual event I would like to think 
that not only I but others from the local area would let our voices of 
objection be heard."

He said the BNP's views on race and immigration went against the view, 
which was central to Christianity, that people should love one another.

The party stands for, among other things, an immediate end to 
immigration to the UK and the repatriation of Britain's non-whites to 
their countries of origin.

Mr Horleston said: "The bible calls on people to 'love thy neighbour' 
but the BNP's views are in violation of this.

"A person cannot be a practising Christian and vote for the BNP."

The Rev Karen Padley, of All Saints' Church, Marlpool, agreed with Mr 
Horleston and said she raised objections to Amber Valley Borough Council 
about this year's festival.

She said: "I don't want to see Red, White and Blue held in Derbyshire.

"I raised objections with the borough council about this year's event 
because I felt it would be harmful to community spirit.

"Ethnic minorities in Amber Valley suffer from racism and events like 
Red, White and Blue only make it worse."

The national press officer for the BNP, Dr Phil Edwards, said vicars 
should not get involved in politics but Mr Padley maintained it was not 
unusual for them to do so.

Ms Padley, 39, said: "Throughout history, Christians have been involved 
in politics when they felt it was right to be so.

"We were involved in the abolition of the slave trade and, recently, 
supported the Debt Aid campaign."

Dr Edwards also accused the vicars of contradicting their own beliefs.

He said: "The vicars have lost their way. The Bible says that God 
scattered the nations throughout the world in their own regions. By 
suggesting multi-racial societies they are going against God's will."

He said that opposition from the church would not stop the BNP holding 
Red, White and Blue near Denby next year.

"KJ"  wrote in message 
news:cbWdnSLrGMm5DNfVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Heanor-Town-Council-object-to.4161135.jp
>>
>> A CONTROVERSIAL BNP festival to be held for the second year running in
>> Denby has been met with objections from Heanor Town Council.
>> The red, white and blue festival, organised by the British National
>> Party was held on land owned by former BNP councillor Alan Warner at
>> Codnor Denby Lane, for the first time in July.
>>
>
> Vicar backs bid to drive BNP's annual bash from the county
>
> Chris Mallett
>
> A Vicar has called for opposition to British National Party plans to hold 
> its annual festival in Derbyshire for the next two years.
>
> The BNP held Red, White and Blue, near Denby, in July, and wants to hold 
> it there again next year and in 2009.
>
> But the Rev Ken Horleston, vicar for St Clement's Church in Horsley, said 
> he believed the festival was bad for Amber Valley.
>
> He said he felt guilty for not doing more to stop this year's event and 
> had the backing of the area's other vicars in saying Christians should not 
> support the party.
>
> Mr Horleston, 57, said: "As far as my guilt is concerned, I did nothing to 
> try and stop the Denby event taking place but now wish to make my 
> opposition clear.
>
> "If Red, White and Blue becomes an annual event I would like to think that 
> not only I but others from the local area would let our voices of 
> objection be heard."
>
> He said the BNP's views on race and immigration went against the view, 
> which was central to Christianity, that people should love one another.
>
> The party stands for, among other things, an immediate end to immigration 
> to the UK and the repatriation of Britain's non-whites to their countries 
> of origin.
>
> Mr Horleston said: "The bible calls on people to 'love thy neighbour' but 
> the BNP's views are in violation of this.
>
> "A person cannot be a practising Christian and vote for the BNP."
>
> The Rev Karen Padley, of All Saints' Church, Marlpool, agreed with Mr 
> Horleston and said she raised objections to Amber Valley Borough Council 
> about this year's festival.
>
> She said: "I don't want to see Red, White and Blue held in Derbyshire.
>
> "I raised objections with the borough council about this year's event 
> because I felt it would be harmful to community spirit.
>
> "Ethnic minorities in Amber Valley suffer from racism and events like Red, 
> White and Blue only make it worse."
>
> The national press officer for the BNP, Dr Phil Edwards, said vicars 
> should not get involved in politics but Mr Padley maintained it was not 
> unusual for them to do so.
>
> Ms Padley, 39, said: "Throughout history, Christians have been involved in 
> politics when they felt it was right to be so.
>
> "We were involved in the abolition of the slave trade and, recently, 
> supported the Debt Aid campaign."
>
> Dr Edwards also accused the vicars of contradicting their own beliefs.
>
> He said: "The vicars have lost their way. The Bible says that God 
> scattered the nations throughout the world in their own regions. By 
> suggesting multi-racial societies they are going against God's will."
>
> He said that opposition from the church would not stop the BNP holding 
> Red, White and Blue near Denby next year.

Gosh!
KJ is in league with the Church of England!

"KJ"  wrote in message 
news:cbWdnSLrGMm5DNfVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Heanor-Town-Council-object-to.4161135.jp
>>
>> A CONTROVERSIAL BNP festival to be held for the second year running in
>> Denby has been met with objections from Heanor Town Council.
>> The red, white and blue festival, organised by the British National
>> Party was held on land owned by former BNP councillor Alan Warner at
>> Codnor Denby Lane, for the first time in July.
>>
>
> Vicar backs bid to drive BNP's annual bash from the county
>
> Chris Mallett
>
> A Vicar has called for opposition to British National Party plans to hold 
> its annual festival in Derbyshire for the next two years.
>
> The BNP held Red, White and Blue, near Denby, in July, and wants to hold 
> it there again next year and in 2009.
>
> But the Rev Ken Horleston, vicar for St Clement's Church in Horsley, said 
> he believed the festival was bad for Amber Valley.
>
> He said he felt guilty for not doing more to stop this year's event and 
> had the backing of the area's other vicars in saying Christians should not 
> support the party.
>
> Mr Horleston, 57, said: "As far as my guilt is concerned, I did nothing to 
> try and stop the Denby event taking place but now wish to make my 
> opposition clear.
>
> "If Red, White and Blue becomes an annual event I would like to think that 
> not only I but others from the local area would let our voices of 
> objection be heard."
>
> He said the BNP's views on race and immigration went against the view, 
> which was central to Christianity, that people should love one another.
>
> The party stands for, among other things, an immediate end to immigration 
> to the UK and the repatriation of Britain's non-whites to their countries 
> of origin.
>
> Mr Horleston said: "The bible calls on people to 'love thy neighbour' but 
> the BNP's views are in violation of this.
>
> "A person cannot be a practising Christian and vote for the BNP."
>
> The Rev Karen Padley, of All Saints' Church, Marlpool, agreed with Mr 
> Horleston and said she raised objections to Amber Valley Borough Council 
> about this year's festival.
>
> She said: "I don't want to see Red, White and Blue held in Derbyshire.
>
> "I raised objections with the borough council about this year's event 
> because I felt it would be harmful to community spirit.
>
> "Ethnic minorities in Amber Valley suffer from racism and events like Red, 
> White and Blue only make it worse."
>
> The national press officer for the BNP, Dr Phil Edwards, said vicars 
> should not get involved in politics but Mr Padley maintained it was not 
> unusual for them to do so.
>
> Ms Padley, 39, said: "Throughout history, Christians have been involved in 
> politics when they felt it was right to be so.
>
> "We were involved in the abolition of the slave trade and, recently, 
> supported the Debt Aid campaign."
>
> Dr Edwards also accused the vicars of contradicting their own beliefs.
>
> He said: "The vicars have lost their way. The Bible says that God 
> scattered the nations throughout the world in their own regions. By 
> suggesting multi-racial societies they are going against God's will."
>
> He said that opposition from the church would not stop the BNP holding 
> Red, White and Blue near Denby next year.


I can't help feeling that all this shows some evidence of confusion.

I have no regard at all for the BNP, but:

1. They are applying to have a festival , not a political meeting.

2. The criteria for giving them the various licences they need are surely 
set out in the licensing legislation and have nothing to do with the 
political view of the organisers. If a political group wants to hold a 
festival at the end of my street, I can legitimately object if it is going 
to be excessively noisy, or excessivly drunken, or if I legitmately fear 
that there will be violence. I cannot object just because I disagree with 
their political views.

3. If they were seeking to stage a political event, then different 
considerations might apply, but even then freedom of speech should remain a 
very important point. If the BNP stage a rally in the town where I live, 
that does not invlove me in condoning their policies or behaviour.

A little application of the above principles might produce better 
decision-mkaing by all involved in the above case.

Andrew McGee

"Andrew McGee"  wrote in message
news:EtadnY76PZxjOtbVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "KJ"  wrote in message
> news:cbWdnSLrGMm5DNfVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> > Steve Greene wrote:
> >>
http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Heanor-Town-Council-object-to.4161
135.jp
> >>
> >> A CONTROVERSIAL BNP festival to be held for the second year running in
> >> Denby has been met with objections from Heanor Town Council.
> >> The red, white and blue festival, organised by the British National
> >> Party was held on land owned by former BNP councillor Alan Warner at
> >> Codnor Denby Lane, for the first time in July.
> >>
> >
> > Vicar backs bid to drive BNP's annual bash from the county
> >
> > Chris Mallett
> >
> > A Vicar has called for opposition to British National Party plans to
hold
> > its annual festival in Derbyshire for the next two years.
> >
> > The BNP held Red, White and Blue, near Denby, in July, and wants to hold
> > it there again next year and in 2009.
> >
> > But the Rev Ken Horleston, vicar for St Clement's Church in Horsley,
said
> > he believed the festival was bad for Amber Valley.
> >
> > He said he felt guilty for not doing more to stop this year's event and
> > had the backing of the area's other vicars in saying Christians should
not
> > support the party.
> >
> > Mr Horleston, 57, said: "As far as my guilt is concerned, I did nothing
to
> > try and stop the Denby event taking place but now wish to make my
> > opposition clear.
> >
> > "If Red, White and Blue becomes an annual event I would like to think
that
> > not only I but others from the local area would let our voices of
> > objection be heard."
> >
> > He said the BNP's views on race and immigration went against the view,
> > which was central to Christianity, that people should love one another.
> >
> > The party stands for, among other things, an immediate end to
immigration
> > to the UK and the repatriation of Britain's non-whites to their
countries
> > of origin.
> >
> > Mr Horleston said: "The bible calls on people to 'love thy neighbour'
but
> > the BNP's views are in violation of this.
> >
> > "A person cannot be a practising Christian and vote for the BNP."
> >
> > The Rev Karen Padley, of All Saints' Church, Marlpool, agreed with Mr
> > Horleston and said she raised objections to Amber Valley Borough Council
> > about this year's festival.
> >
> > She said: "I don't want to see Red, White and Blue held in Derbyshire.
> >
> > "I raised objections with the borough council about this year's event
> > because I felt it would be harmful to community spirit.
> >
> > "Ethnic minorities in Amber Valley suffer from racism and events like
Red,
> > White and Blue only make it worse."
> >
> > The national press officer for the BNP, Dr Phil Edwards, said vicars
> > should not get involved in politics but Mr Padley maintained it was not
> > unusual for them to do so.
> >
> > Ms Padley, 39, said: "Throughout history, Christians have been involved
in
> > politics when they felt it was right to be so.
> >
> > "We were involved in the abolition of the slave trade and, recently,
> > supported the Debt Aid campaign."
> >
> > Dr Edwards also accused the vicars of contradicting their own beliefs.
> >
> > He said: "The vicars have lost their way. The Bible says that God
> > scattered the nations throughout the world in their own regions. By
> > suggesting multi-racial societies they are going against God's will."
> >
> > He said that opposition from the church would not stop the BNP holding
> > Red, White and Blue near Denby next year.
>
>
> I can't help feeling that all this shows some evidence of confusion.
>
> I have no regard at all for the BNP, but:
>
> 1. They are applying to have a festival , not a political meeting.
>
> 2. The criteria for giving them the various licences they need are surely
> set out in the licensing legislation and have nothing to do with the
> political view of the organisers. If a political group wants to hold a
> festival at the end of my street, I can legitimately object if it is going
> to be excessively noisy, or excessivly drunken, or if I legitmately fear
> that there will be violence. I cannot object just because I disagree with
> their political views.
>
> 3. If they were seeking to stage a political event, then different
> considerations might apply, but even then freedom of speech should remain
a
> very important point. If the BNP stage a rally in the town where I live,
> that does not invlove me in condoning their policies or behaviour.
>
> A little application of the above principles might produce better
> decision-mkaing by all involved in the above case.
>
> Andrew McGee
>
Think what would happen if the EVIL SHITE of Nu Labour was to have a
'festival' in the area!
 .....aaaaaagh!   -it would be instantly banned ? ? ?
.

Andrew McGee wrote:

> 
> "KJ"  wrote in message
> news:cbWdnSLrGMm5DNfVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> > Steve Greene wrote:
> > > http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Heanor-Town-Council-obje
> > > ct-to.4161135.jp
> > > 
> > > A CONTROVERSIAL BNP festival to be held for the second year
> > > running in Denby has been met with objections from Heanor Town
> > > Council.  The red, white and blue festival, organised by the
> > > British National Party was held on land owned by former BNP
> > > councillor Alan Warner at Codnor Denby Lane, for the first time
> > > in July.
> > > 
> > 
> > Vicar backs bid to drive BNP's annual bash from the county
> > 
> > Chris Mallett
> > 
> > A Vicar has called for opposition to British National Party plans
> > to hold  its annual festival in Derbyshire for the next two years.
> > 
> > The BNP held Red, White and Blue, near Denby, in July, and wants to
> > hold  it there again next year and in 2009.
> > 
> > But the Rev Ken Horleston, vicar for St Clement's Church in
> > Horsley, said  he believed the festival was bad for Amber Valley.
> > 
> > He said he felt guilty for not doing more to stop this year's event
> > and  had the backing of the area's other vicars in saying
> > Christians should not  support the party.
> > 
> > Mr Horleston, 57, said: "As far as my guilt is concerned, I did
> > nothing to  try and stop the Denby event taking place but now wish
> > to make my  opposition clear.
> > 
> > "If Red, White and Blue becomes an annual event I would like to
> > think that  not only I but others from the local area would let our
> > voices of  objection be heard."
> > 
> > He said the BNP's views on race and immigration went against the
> > view,  which was central to Christianity, that people should love
> > one another.
> > 
> > The party stands for, among other things, an immediate end to
> > immigration  to the UK and the repatriation of Britain's non-whites
> > to their countries  of origin.
> > 
> > Mr Horleston said: "The bible calls on people to 'love thy
> > neighbour' but  the BNP's views are in violation of this.
> > 
> > "A person cannot be a practising Christian and vote for the BNP."
> > 
> > The Rev Karen Padley, of All Saints' Church, Marlpool, agreed with
> > Mr  Horleston and said she raised objections to Amber Valley
> > Borough Council  about this year's festival.
> > 
> > She said: "I don't want to see Red, White and Blue held in
> > Derbyshire.
> > 
> > "I raised objections with the borough council about this year's
> > event  because I felt it would be harmful to community spirit.
> > 
> > "Ethnic minorities in Amber Valley suffer from racism and events
> > like Red,  White and Blue only make it worse."
> > 
> > The national press officer for the BNP, Dr Phil Edwards, said
> > vicars  should not get involved in politics but Mr Padley
> > maintained it was not  unusual for them to do so.
> > 
> > Ms Padley, 39, said: "Throughout history, Christians have been
> > involved in  politics when they felt it was right to be so.
> > 
> > "We were involved in the abolition of the slave trade and,
> > recently,  supported the Debt Aid campaign."
> > 
> > Dr Edwards also accused the vicars of contradicting their own
> > beliefs.
> > 
> > He said: "The vicars have lost their way. The Bible says that God
> > scattered the nations throughout the world in their own regions. By
> > suggesting multi-racial societies they are going against God's
> > will."
> > 
> > He said that opposition from the church would not stop the BNP
> > holding  Red, White and Blue near Denby next year.
> 
> 
> I can't help feeling that all this shows some evidence of confusion.
> 
> I have no regard at all for the BNP, but:
> 
> 1. They are applying to have a festival , not a political meeting.
> 
> 2. The criteria for giving them the various licences they need are
> surely set out in the licensing legislation and have nothing to do
> with the political view of the organisers. If a political group wants
> to hold a festival at the end of my street, I can legitimately object
> if it is going to be excessively noisy, or excessivly drunken, or if
> I legitmately fear that there will be violence. I cannot object just
> because I disagree with their political views.
> 
> 3. If they were seeking to stage a political event, then different
> considerations might apply, but even then freedom of speech should
> remain a very important point. If the BNP stage a rally in the town
> where I live, that does not invlove me in condoning their policies or
> behaviour.
> 
> A little application of the above principles might produce better
> decision-mkaing by all involved in the above case.

True, but they are not bothered about being 'fair'

--

"Andrew McGee"  wrote in message 
news:EtadnY76PZxjOtbVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "KJ"  wrote in message 
> news:cbWdnSLrGMm5DNfVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Steve Greene wrote:
>>> http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Heanor-Town-Council-object-to.4161135.jp
>>>
>>> A CONTROVERSIAL BNP festival to be held for the second year running in
>>> Denby has been met with objections from Heanor Town Council.
>>> The red, white and blue festival, organised by the British National
>>> Party was held on land owned by former BNP councillor Alan Warner at
>>> Codnor Denby Lane, for the first time in July.
>>>
>>
>> Vicar backs bid to drive BNP's annual bash from the county
>>
>> Chris Mallett
>>
>> A Vicar has called for opposition to British National Party plans to hold 
>> its annual festival in Derbyshire for the next two years.
>>
>> The BNP held Red, White and Blue, near Denby, in July, and wants to hold 
>> it there again next year and in 2009.
>>
>> But the Rev Ken Horleston, vicar for St Clement's Church in Horsley, said 
>> he believed the festival was bad for Amber Valley.
>>
>> He said he felt guilty for not doing more to stop this year's event and 
>> had the backing of the area's other vicars in saying Christians should 
>> not support the party.
>>
>> Mr Horleston, 57, said: "As far as my guilt is concerned, I did nothing 
>> to try and stop the Denby event taking place but now wish to make my 
>> opposition clear.
>>
>> "If Red, White and Blue becomes an annual event I would like to think 
>> that not only I but others from the local area would let our voices of 
>> objection be heard."
>>
>> He said the BNP's views on race and immigration went against the view, 
>> which was central to Christianity, that people should love one another.
>>
>> The party stands for, among other things, an immediate end to immigration 
>> to the UK and the repatriation of Britain's non-whites to their countries 
>> of origin.
>>
>> Mr Horleston said: "The bible calls on people to 'love thy neighbour' but 
>> the BNP's views are in violation of this.
>>
>> "A person cannot be a practising Christian and vote for the BNP."
>>
>> The Rev Karen Padley, of All Saints' Church, Marlpool, agreed with Mr 
>> Horleston and said she raised objections to Amber Valley Borough Council 
>> about this year's festival.
>>
>> She said: "I don't want to see Red, White and Blue held in Derbyshire.
>>
>> "I raised objections with the borough council about this year's event 
>> because I felt it would be harmful to community spirit.
>>
>> "Ethnic minorities in Amber Valley suffer from racism and events like 
>> Red, White and Blue only make it worse."
>>
>> The national press officer for the BNP, Dr Phil Edwards, said vicars 
>> should not get involved in politics but Mr Padley maintained it was not 
>> unusual for them to do so.
>>
>> Ms Padley, 39, said: "Throughout history, Christians have been involved 
>> in politics when they felt it was right to be so.
>>
>> "We were involved in the abolition of the slave trade and, recently, 
>> supported the Debt Aid campaign."
>>
>> Dr Edwards also accused the vicars of contradicting their own beliefs.
>>
>> He said: "The vicars have lost their way. The Bible says that God 
>> scattered the nations throughout the world in their own regions. By 
>> suggesting multi-racial societies they are going against God's will."
>>
>> He said that opposition from the church would not stop the BNP holding 
>> Red, White and Blue near Denby next year.
>
>
> I can't help feeling that all this shows some evidence of confusion.
>
> I have no regard at all for the BNP, but:
>
> 1. They are applying to have a festival , not a political meeting.
>
> 2. The criteria for giving them the various licences they need are surely 
> set out in the licensing legislation and have nothing to do with the 
> political view of the organisers. If a political group wants to hold a 
> festival at the end of my street, I can legitimately object if it is going 
> to be excessively noisy, or excessivly drunken, or if I legitmately fear 
> that there will be violence. I cannot object just because I disagree with 
> their political views.
>
> 3. If they were seeking to stage a political event, then different 
> considerations might apply, but even then freedom of speech should remain 
> a very important point. If the BNP stage a rally in the town where I live, 
> that does not invlove me in condoning their policies or behaviour.
>
> A little application of the above principles might produce better 
> decision-mkaing by all involved in the above case.
>
> Andrew McGee

Perhaps the BNP should adopt a title with a religeous philosophical 
attribute (Agnostic Society for thr BNP) and then claim discrimination. 
There's nothing wrong with a paradox.