Hello
I am a carer for a disabled relative, and read with horror that the 
government are producing a green paper to abolish the two most important 
benefits that sick and disabled people are entitled to. Not very long ago my 
husband was able bodied and working, and I would not have bothered with a 
request like the one I am posting here so I would ask you to please keep in 
mind that fate can deal nasty blows completely out of the blue. Just to give 
you an idea of the difference the DLA my husband receives the loss of this 
benefit will mean a 36 percent loss of income overnight for us, and such a 
loss is too much for any one to have to accept irrespective of the amounts 
involved.
I respectfully ask that anybody reading this and agrees with my comments 
sign the OFFICIAL Downing Street Petition advising the Prime Minister of the 
hardship this draconian measure will cause. I have put the link for the 
petition below, thank you for reading I am so angry and upset at what our 
future may hold, having paid into the system for so many years, we now at 
our time of need are to be left high and dry. PLEASE take a minute to sign 
the petition if you agree, and remember that illness can hit any one of us 
at any minute.
Linda

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AttendanceA/

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"Just Me"  wrote in message 
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> Hello
> I am a carer for a disabled relative,

What is the disabilty?   Is it a genuine disability as alcoholics and drug
addicts also claim they are "disabled".  So do people who fool a
doctor in to thinking they have a bad back or depression.
A disability to me means when someone has a medical condition that
does stop them working.  If you go and see Job Centre staff they are
now fairly strict.  If a person can't walk far there is nothing to stop
them doing a job in an office for example.  People have taken advantage
for far too long and I'm glad a stop is being put to cases that are not
genuine.  Look around your supermarket car park and see how many
disabled people with a blue badge can carry DIY equipment about and
load their low slung sports car before climbing in to it.  Movements that
they claim not to be able to make.


> and read with horror that the government are producing a green paper to 
> abolish the two most important benefits that sick and disabled people are 
> entitled to.

Are you talking about "sick" or "disabled", they are NOT the same thing.
The Government are talking about abolishing benefits for people that
should not be claiming them - as in fraudsters, nothing to do with people
that are genuine so why are you so worried.

>Not very long ago my husband was able bodied and working, and I would not 
>have bothered with a request like the one I am posting here so I would ask 
>you to please keep in mind that fate can deal nasty blows completely out of 
>the blue. Just to give you an idea of the difference the DLA my husband 
>receives the loss of this benefit will mean a 36 percent loss of income 
>overnight for us, and such a loss is too much for any one to have to accept 
>irrespective of the amounts involved.

So are you telling us that he will not be entitled to a benefit because 
there is
no real medical proof of any illness or disability?  If there was proof then 
the
benefits would NOT be stopped, simple as that.  Why are you so concerned
IF his case is genuine because he will not be affected.


> I respectfully ask that anybody reading this and agrees with my comments 
> sign the OFFICIAL Downing Street Petition advising the Prime Minister of 
> the hardship this draconian measure will cause.

No chance, I agree with throwing people off benefits that should not be
claiming them and who have no medical proof they are entitled to them.
I would urge people to report fraudulent cases to the DSS on their
phoneline.

>I have put the link for the petition below, thank you for reading I am so 
>angry and upset at what our future may hold, having paid into the system 
>for so many years, we now at our time of need are to be left high and dry.

Well if you both worked you should have been paying in to a pension scheme.
So you will have an income.  You will also continue to recieve benefits IF
the claim is genuine and supported by the apropriate medical evidence to
prove a disability.  I don't see other genuine cases complaining, they just 
get
on with things without moaning. A lot of them don't have private pensions,
state pensions, savings accounts etc etc.


>PLEASE take a minute to sign the petition if you agree, and remember that 
>illness can hit any one of us at any minute.

No, certainly not.  I only agree to benefits being paid to those who 
genuinely
need them, not freeloaders or people who can not support a claim for 
benefits
with the appropriate medical reports proving a condition.

You keep changing from "disability" to "sickness" to "illness" - they are
all different.  Disability benefits systems work very well.  I am sure you 
would
want those claiming on a fraudulent basis to be dealt with as it is those 
people
ruining it for genuine cases.

I think you need towork out exactly why you think your case for benefts will
be investigated and stopped.  Post that reason and people might not sign any
petition.  It will not do you any good anyway.


> Linda

Roger
You make so many points, but as we have absolutely nothing whatsoever to 
hide I will try and answer them as best as I can.
I will answer your points as they are written in capitals for ease of 
reading the reply, I am not shouting or in anyway being rude, I just
see this as the easiest way to answer each and every point you make.

"Roger"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Just Me"  wrote in message 
> news:4aaa27ef$0$2534$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Hello
>> I am a carer for a disabled relative,
>
> What is the disabilty?   Is it a genuine disability as alcoholics and drug
> addicts also claim they are "disabled".  So do people who fool a
> doctor in to thinking they have a bad back or depression.
> A disability to me means when someone has a medical condition that
> does stop them working. MY HUSBAND IS RECOVERING FROM CANCER AND HAS 
> DEBILITATING ARTHRITIS, CONFIRMED BY X-RAYS, YOU CANNOT FAKE AN X-RAY.  If 
> you go and see Job Centre staff they are
> now fairly strict.  If a person can't walk far there is nothing to stop
> them doing a job in an office for example.ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY AGREE
  People have taken advantage
> for far too long and I'm glad a stop is being put to cases that are not
> genuine.AGAIN IN TOTAL AND COMPLETE AGREEMENT  Look around your 
> supermarket car park and see how many
> disabled people with a blue badge can carry DIY equipment about and
> load their low slung sports car before climbing in to it.  Movements that
> they claim not to be able to make. THIS IS POSSIBLY THE MOST ANNOYING AND 
> DISGUSTING SIGHT FOR ANY GENUINELY
DISABLED PERSON WITHOUT A DOUBT. MY HUSBAND IS NO LONGER ABLE TO DRIVE A 
CAR, BUT WOULD NOT HAVE A
"BLUE BADGE" FOR MANY OF THE REASONS YOU MENTION.
>
>
>> and read with horror that the government are producing a green paper to 
>> abolish the two most important benefits that sick and disabled people are 
>> entitled to.
>
> Are you talking about "sick" or "disabled", they are NOT the same thing. I 
> APOLOGISE IF MY TRYING TO NOT BE REPETITIVE CONFUSED OR CLOUDED MY MESSAGE 
> IN ANYWAY. The Government are talking about abolishing benefits for people 
> that
> should not be claiming them - as in fraudsters, nothing to do with people
> that are genuine so why are you so worried.  IF THIS WAS GENUINELY THE 
> CASE WHY
STOP ELDERLY HOUSEBOUND PEOPLE RECEIVING THE MONEY THEY SO DESPERATELY NEED 
TO SURVIVE.
>>Not very long ago my husband was able bodied and working, and I would not 
>>have bothered with a request like the one I am posting here so I would ask 
>>you to please keep in mind that fate can deal nasty blows completely out 
>>of the blue. Just to give you an idea of the difference the DLA my husband 
>>receives the loss of this benefit will mean a 36 percent loss of income 
>>overnight for us, and such a loss is too much for any one to have to 
>>accept irrespective of the amounts involved.
>
> So are you telling us that he will not be entitled to a benefit because 
> there is
> no real medical proof of any illness or disability? ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY 
> NOT,  I AM SAYING
THAT HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CLAIM A BENEFIT WHICH WILL NO LONGER EXIST

   If there was proof then
> the
> benefits would NOT be stopped, simple as that.  AFRAID NOT, AS I SAY IF 
> THE BENEFIT NO LONGER EXISTS HOW CAN HE OR ANYBODY ELSE IN SIMILAR 
> POSITIONS  CLAIM IT????

Why are you so concerned
> IF his case is genuine because he will not be affected. AS I SAY XRAYS 
> CANNOT BE FAKED, I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE
WE STAND TO LOSE A MASSIVE CHUNK OF THE COMPARATIVELY MEAGRE INCOME WE ARE 
NOW SURVIVING ON.
>
>
>> I respectfully ask that anybody reading this and agrees with my comments 
>> sign the OFFICIAL Downing Street Petition advising the Prime Minister of 
>> the hardship this draconian measure will cause.
>
> No chance, I agree with throwing people off benefits that should not be
> claiming them ABSOLUTELY AGREE ONCE AGAIN  and who have no medical proof 
> they are entitled to them.
> I would urge people to report fraudulent cases to the DSS on their
> phoneline. WHY DOESN'T EVERYBODY DO THIS??
>
>>I have put the link for the petition below, thank you for reading I am so 
>>angry and upset at what our future may hold, having paid into the system 
>>for so many years, we now at our time of need are to be left high and dry.
>
> Well if you both worked you should have been paying in to a pension 
> scheme.
> So you will have an income. I AM NOT PREPARED TO DISCUSS OUR FINANCIAL 
> ARRANGEMENTS ON HERE TO ANYBODY.
  You will also continue to recieve benefits IF
> the claim is genuine and supported by the apropriate medical evidence to
> prove a disability. WRONG WRONG WORNG, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE 
> BENEFIT WILL NO LONGER EXIST IF THIS GREEN PAPER SHOULD PROGRESS, NO 
> BENEFIT EQUALS NOTHING TO CLAIM IS IT SINKING IN AT ALL??? I don't see 
> other genuine cases complaining, SO CANCER AND ARTHRITIS ARE NOT GENUINE 
> ENOUGH FOR YOU THEN ROGER?????
they just
> get
> on with things without moaning. NOT ONCE DID I MOAN READ MY ORIGINAL 
> MESSAGE AGAIN AND THEN AGAIN OF YOU ARE UNABLE TO GRASP IT  A lot of them 
> don't have private pensions,
> state pensions, savings accounts etc etc.
>
>
>>PLEASE take a minute to sign the petition if you agree, and remember that 
>>illness can hit any one of us at any minute.
>
> No, certainly not.  I only agree to benefits being paid to those who 
> genuinely
> need them,WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO GENUINELY NEED THEM THEY ARE STOPPING IT 
> PLEASE, PLEASE TRY AND GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD THERE IS NOTHING TO CLAIM IF 
> THE BENEFIT NO LONGER EXISTS NO MATTER HOW SICK, DISABLED, ILL OR DEAD 
> YOUMAY BE. not freeloaders or people who can not support a claim for 
> benefitsTHERE WILL NOT BE A BENEFIT
> with the appropriate medical reports proving a condition. 
> XRAYS?????????????
>
> You keep changing from "disability" to "sickness" to "illness" - they are
> all different.  Disability benefits systems work very well.YOU QUITE 
> OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO OR VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE OF THE
DISABILITY BENEFITS SYSTEM  I am sure you
> would
> want those claiming on a fraudulent basis to be dealt with as it is those 
> people
> ruining it for genuine cases. EVERY SINGLE PERSON CLAIMING ANY BENEFIT 
> FRAUDULENTLY SHOULD FACE A MINIMUM
5 YEAR PRISON SENTENCE AND HAVE THE AMOUNT CLAIMED FRAUDULENTLY TAKEN FROM 
THEM IN CASH OR GOODS IF
THEY ARE UNABLE TO REPAY
>
> I think you need towork out exactly why you think your case for benefts 
> will
> be investigated and stopped. IT WILL NOT BE INVESTIGATED BECAUSE IT IS 
> RENEWED REGULARLY AS IS EVERY OTHER PERSON CLAIMING SUCH BENEFITS. IT WILL 
> BE STOPPED BECAUSE THE BENEFIT WILL NO LONGER EXIST DO YOU UNDERSTAND ANY 
> OF THIS ROGER????
 Post that reason and people might not sign any
> petition.  It will not do you any good anyway. BRITISH DEMOCRACY AT ITS 
> BEST THEN ROGER, WHAT A COUNTRY WE HAVE BECOME WHEN THE SICK, DISABLED, 
> ILL AND DYING HAVE TO FACE THE MISERABLE INCOME THEY NEED TO SURVIVE ON 
> SLASHED WITHOUT A BLINK OF AN EYE AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN ONLY AGREE THAT 
> BEING NO LONGER ABLE TO WORK MEANS THE BEST THING TO DO IS GO OFF AND DIE 
> QUIETLY WITHOUT MAKING TOO MUCH FUSS AND ANNOYING SELF RIGHTEOUS IDIOTS 
> WHO QUITE OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT THE SLIGHTEST IDEA OF WHAT THEY ARE TALKING 
> ABOUT.
>
>> Linda
>
>