Pah! It is overrated.

Mike Hide and others make much of Obama's so-called inexperience but maybe 
that is just what is needed. The "experience" of Bush, Brown, Paulson, King, 
Bernanke and Greenspan got us into this mess. It is a peculiar logic that 
says the same experience is needed to get us out of it. We want new thinking 
with an appreciation of history so that the same mistakes will not be made 
again.

I see Hatter views the current situation as an opportunity. Reminds me of 
Kipling's IF. For people who have little this is indeed an opportunity, for 
those that have something they are too scared worrying about losing it to 
take advantage of the situation. Let us hope that " back to basics" becomes 
the new theme. Back to sound money, living within our means, back to 
invention, making something worthwhile to sell, back to real markets where 
the price actually reflects the value people put on things. Not back to the 
monopolistic corporate State that has benefited only those in the 
establishment and their conmen friends in the City for the last 12 years.

If ever there was a time to ask "why have government?" then this is it. For 
they did not foresee a crisis, quite the opposite, by their actions they 
encouraged it, and now they are running round the world on first class 
expenses pretending they are men of action protecting us from the 
consequences of their actions. At best it is a bloody nerve!

"Not Today"  wrote in message
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> Pah! It is overrated.
>
> Mike Hide and others make much of Obama's so-called inexperience but maybe
> that is just what is needed. The "experience" of Bush, Brown, Paulson,
King,
> Bernanke and Greenspan got us into this mess. It is a peculiar logic that
> says the same experience is needed to get us out of it. We want new
thinking
> with an appreciation of history so that the same mistakes will not be made
> again.
>
> I see Hatter views the current situation as an opportunity. Reminds me of
> Kipling's IF. For people who have little this is indeed an opportunity,
for
> those that have something they are too scared worrying about losing it to
> take advantage of the situation. Let us hope that " back to basics"
becomes
> the new theme. Back to sound money, living within our means, back to
> invention, making something worthwhile to sell, back to real markets where
> the price actually reflects the value people put on things. Not back to
the
> monopolistic corporate State that has benefited only those in the
> establishment and their conmen friends in the City for the last 12 years.
>
> If ever there was a time to ask "why have government?" then this is it.
For
> they did not foresee a crisis, quite the opposite, by their actions they
> encouraged it, and now they are running round the world on first class
> expenses pretending they are men of action protecting us from the
> consequences of their actions. At best it is a bloody nerve!

Obama might have no experience but he has surrounded himself with those who
do. Paul Volker , the ex head of Fanny may ,the ex head of Freddy Mac and
the ex head of Lehman bros. those are his financial advisors. Not to be out
done he is affiliated with others in his party who voted en block along
party lines to block any oversight of these institutions in particular Dodd,
and Frank who were resposible for oversight.Of course he has also donated to
ACORN, and ben thier legal advisor at one time.

"mike hide"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Not Today"  wrote in message
> news:28ml3o.o7f.19.1@news.alt.net...
>> Pah! It is overrated.
>>
>> Mike Hide and others make much of Obama's so-called inexperience but 
>> maybe
>> that is just what is needed. The "experience" of Bush, Brown, Paulson,
> King,
>> Bernanke and Greenspan got us into this mess. It is a peculiar logic that
>> says the same experience is needed to get us out of it. We want new
> thinking
>> with an appreciation of history so that the same mistakes will not be 
>> made
>> again.
>>
>> I see Hatter views the current situation as an opportunity. Reminds me of
>> Kipling's IF. For people who have little this is indeed an opportunity,
> for
>> those that have something they are too scared worrying about losing it to
>> take advantage of the situation. Let us hope that " back to basics"
> becomes
>> the new theme. Back to sound money, living within our means, back to
>> invention, making something worthwhile to sell, back to real markets 
>> where
>> the price actually reflects the value people put on things. Not back to
> the
>> monopolistic corporate State that has benefited only those in the
>> establishment and their conmen friends in the City for the last 12 years.
>>
>> If ever there was a time to ask "why have government?" then this is it.
> For
>> they did not foresee a crisis, quite the opposite, by their actions they
>> encouraged it, and now they are running round the world on first class
>> expenses pretending they are men of action protecting us from the
>> consequences of their actions. At best it is a bloody nerve!
>
> Obama might have no experience but he has surrounded himself with those 
> who
> do. Paul Volker , the ex head of Fanny may ,the ex head of Freddy Mac and
> the ex head of Lehman bros. those are his financial advisors. Not to be 
> out
> done he is affiliated with others in his party who voted en block along
> party lines to block any oversight of these institutions in particular 
> Dodd,
> and Frank who were resposible for oversight.Of course he has also donated 
> to
> ACORN, and ben thier legal advisor at one time.

I have a friend in the States, he voted for Bush in 2000 because Bush was 
"for tax cuts". He had some old fashioned idea of the "American dream" ( to 
outsiders, always a spinners scam) that people should stand on their own two 
feet and make their way in the world. All very commendable. Except that he 
thought he was getting a President who would encourage that dream, not con 
people into a war and scam them into poverty so that his henchman would get 
rich.

Can you name one thing that Bush has done that was a success? Unless you can 
you would be wise to stfu as they say!

"Not Today"  wrote in message 
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> Can you name one thing that Bush has done that was a success? Unless you 
> can you would be wise to stfu as they say!


I can name a couple of which I am personally aware and grateful.

He authorized the personal use of air miles accumulated by US Government 
employees whilst travelling on official government paid business.

He has signed legislation which has given retirees an average annual 4% cost 
of living increase for the past 8 years.

Nigel Brooks

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>
> "mike hide"  wrote in message
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> >
> > "Not Today"  wrote in message
> > news:28ml3o.o7f.19.1@news.alt.net...
> >> Pah! It is overrated.
> >>
> >> Mike Hide and others make much of Obama's so-called inexperience but
> >> maybe
> >> that is just what is needed. The "experience" of Bush, Brown, Paulson,
> > King,
> >> Bernanke and Greenspan got us into this mess. It is a peculiar logic
that
> >> says the same experience is needed to get us out of it. We want new
> > thinking
> >> with an appreciation of history so that the same mistakes will not be
> >> made
> >> again.
> >>
> >> I see Hatter views the current situation as an opportunity. Reminds me
of
> >> Kipling's IF. For people who have little this is indeed an opportunity,
> > for
> >> those that have something they are too scared worrying about losing it
to
> >> take advantage of the situation. Let us hope that " back to basics"
> > becomes
> >> the new theme. Back to sound money, living within our means, back to
> >> invention, making something worthwhile to sell, back to real markets
> >> where
> >> the price actually reflects the value people put on things. Not back to
> > the
> >> monopolistic corporate State that has benefited only those in the
> >> establishment and their conmen friends in the City for the last 12
years.
> >>
> >> If ever there was a time to ask "why have government?" then this is it.
> > For
> >> they did not foresee a crisis, quite the opposite, by their actions
they
> >> encouraged it, and now they are running round the world on first class
> >> expenses pretending they are men of action protecting us from the
> >> consequences of their actions. At best it is a bloody nerve!
> >
> > Obama might have no experience but he has surrounded himself with those
> > who
> > do. Paul Volker , the ex head of Fanny may ,the ex head of Freddy Mac
and
> > the ex head of Lehman bros. those are his financial advisors. Not to be
> > out
> > done he is affiliated with others in his party who voted en block along
> > party lines to block any oversight of these institutions in particular
> > Dodd,
> > and Frank who were resposible for oversight.Of course he has also
donated
> > to
> > ACORN, and ben thier legal advisor at one time.
>
> I have a friend in the States, he voted for Bush in 2000 because Bush was
> "for tax cuts". He had some old fashioned idea of the "American dream" (
to
> outsiders, always a spinners scam) that people should stand on their own
two
> feet and make their way in the world. All very commendable. Except that he
> thought he was getting a President who would encourage that dream, not con
> people into a war and scam them into poverty so that his henchman would
get
> rich.
>
> Can you name one thing that Bush has done that was a success? Unless you
can
> you would be wise to stfu as they say!
>
Yep he has taken retribution for 9. 11, and after that he pretty much saved
the financial situation from further damage [grounded all flights in the
air] after that he did lower taxes which ended up with a pretty good economy
until recently. He changed health care medications ,baically due to him mine
are basically free .If he could have got the Dems to institute laws to
control freddy and fanny the economy would still be fine and the only thing
that would be holding it down would be the price of oil which he again has
no control over because the dems up until a couple of weeks ago would not
allow drilling in the US.Oh and yes he freed the population of Iraq.

"Nigel Brooks"  wrote in message
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>
>
> "Not Today"  wrote in message
> news:28nmlu.tel.17.1@news.alt.net...
>
> > Can you name one thing that Bush has done that was a success? Unless you
> > can you would be wise to stfu as they say!
>
>
> I can name a couple of which I am personally aware and grateful.
>
> He authorized the personal use of air miles accumulated by US Government
> employees whilst travelling on official government paid business.
>
> He has signed legislation which has given retirees an average annual 4%
cost
> of living increase for the past 8 years.
>
> Nigel Brooks
>
Yep I think it is tied to the cost of living increases isnt it ?

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> "Not Today"  wrote in message
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>> Can you name one thing that Bush has done that was a success? Unless you
> can
>> you would be wise to stfu as they say!
>>
> Yep he has taken retribution for 9. 11, and after that he pretty much
> saved
> the financial situation from further damage [grounded all flights in the
> air] after that he did lower taxes which ended up with a pretty good
> economy
> until recently. He changed health care medications ,baically due to him
> mine
> are basically free .If he could have got the Dems to institute laws to
> control freddy and fanny the economy would still be fine and the only
> thing
> that would be holding it down would be the price of oil which he again has
> no control over because the dems up until a couple of weeks ago would not
> allow drilling in the US.Oh and yes he freed the population of Iraq.

Retribution? Last time I checked Osama bin Laden was still sticking two
fingers up to Bush. The Taliban are back in control of much of Afganistan.
Tens of thousands of innocent people are dead. Some retribution!

9.11 did not cause any financial damage. The dotcom bubble was well burst by
then and the dip in the market on Sept 11 quickly bounced and resumed it's
normal pattern.

"After that he did lower taxes" ? Yes he sure did and ended up with the
biggest property crash of all time, banks that were established 160 years
ago going bust, and the biggest budget and trade deficit of all time.

"control fanny and freddie"? But Bear Stearns went bust before Fanny and
Freddie, and Lehmans, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are private
companies.

"The price of oil"? It is down to $80 a barrel again. It has nothing to do
with allowing drilling in the US, more to do with impending recession.

"Freed the population of Iraq"? A funny sort of freedom when a hundred
thousand Iraqis had to be killed to achieve it. But according to you
previously,  it never was about regime change and "freeing the Iraqi
people", it was about WMD!

I have an idea to save you time. Look up some of Maurice Kellett's posts,
change the word Freemason to Democrat and repost.

"Not Today"  wrote in message 
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> I have an idea to save you time. Look up some of Maurice Kellett's posts,
> change the word Freemason to Democrat and repost.
>


Does Mr. Kellett pronounce his name "Morris" or "Moreece" ?

Nigel Brooks
(Soft "G")

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>
>
> "Not Today"  wrote in message 
> news:28pmnv.fdo.17.1@news.alt.net...
>
>> I have an idea to save you time. Look up some of Maurice Kellett's posts,
>> change the word Freemason to Democrat and repost.
>>
>
>
> Does Mr. Kellett pronounce his name "Morris" or "Moreece" ?
>
> Nigel Brooks
> (Soft "G")

Lol! Who knows? I do not pay him enough attention to remember!

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> "mike hide"  wrote in message
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> >
> > "Not Today"  wrote in message
> > news:28nmlu.tel.17.1@news.alt.net...
>
> >> Can you name one thing that Bush has done that was a success? Unless
you
> > can
> >> you would be wise to stfu as they say!
> >>
> > Yep he has taken retribution for 9. 11, and after that he pretty much
> > saved
> > the financial situation from further damage [grounded all flights in the
> > air] after that he did lower taxes which ended up with a pretty good
> > economy
> > until recently. He changed health care medications ,baically due to him
> > mine
> > are basically free .If he could have got the Dems to institute laws to
> > control freddy and fanny the economy would still be fine and the only
> > thing
> > that would be holding it down would be the price of oil which he again
has
> > no control over because the dems up until a couple of weeks ago would
not
> > allow drilling in the US.Oh and yes he freed the population of Iraq.
>
> Retribution? Last time I checked Osama bin Laden was still sticking two
> fingers up to Bush. The Taliban are back in control of much of Afganistan.
> Tens of thousands of innocent people are dead. Some retribution!

He is , and probably living in Pakistan where we are forbidden to get him.


> 9.11 did not cause any financial damage. The dotcom bubble was well burst
by
> then and the dip in the market on Sept 11 quickly bounced and resumd it's
> normal pattern.

Well it did not bounce back without considerable federal help from the Bush
administration . Yes I agree the had burst but then that was in the waining
years of the Clinton administration wasn't it.

> "After that he did lower taxes" ? Yes he sure did and ended up with the
> biggest property crash of all time, banks that were established 160 years
> ago going bust, and the biggest budget and trade deficit of all time.

lowering taxes is what brought the economy back .It has been known in the US
that lowering taxes results in far more government revenue than raising
them.

> "control fanny and freddie"? But Bear Stearns went bust before Fanny and
> Freddie, and Lehmans, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are private
> companies.

Again if you will check your facts Bush and maccain wanted asked the
Democrat congress for an oversight bill several time only to be voted down
by the democrat congress with party line votes every time .the committee
chairs on this were all dems .senators Dodd,Schumer and Frank were the ones
who were responsible for the calamity not Bush.


> "The price of oil"? It is down to $80 a barrel again. It has nothing to do
> with allowing drilling in the US, more to do with impending recession.

I tend to agree with you on that point ,the problem in my mind is putting
the product on the world market . If what was produced domestically was only
sold on the US market then domestic gas prices would plummet

> "Freed the population of Iraq"? A funny sort of freedom when a hundred
> thousand Iraqis had to be killed to achieve it. But according to you
> previously,  it never was about regime change and "freeing the Iraqi
> people", it was about WMD!

Regime change was a good by product ,in my view perhaps you would prefer
Saddam still be running the place .The primary aim was as you say the ensure
he did not have a WMD program which of couse he did at least the biological
and gas aspects of WMD.Whats more he used then on the Kurds as you might
recall,again perhaps you agrreed with their use.,but that is what we freed
the Iraqi people from.

It is strange to me that NOW everyone and hisbrother know he did not have
WMD and before the war no one did . Actually, what Iraq is about the size of
California [3 times the size of the UK] so they still could be there. Your
figures ,lets have a souce please.
> I have an idea to save you time. Look up some of Maurice Kellett's posts,
> change the word Freemason to Democrat and repost.
>
>

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> "Not Today"  wrote in message
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>>
>> "mike hide"  wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "Not Today"  wrote in message
>> > news:28nmlu.tel.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>
>> >> Can you name one thing that Bush has done that was a success? Unless
> you
>> > can
>> >> you would be wise to stfu as they say!
>> >>
>> > Yep he has taken retribution for 9. 11, and after that he pretty much
>> > saved
>> > the financial situation from further damage [grounded all flights in
>> > the
>> > air] after that he did lower taxes which ended up with a pretty good
>> > economy
>> > until recently. He changed health care medications ,baically due to him
>> > mine
>> > are basically free .If he could have got the Dems to institute laws to
>> > control freddy and fanny the economy would still be fine and the only
>> > thing
>> > that would be holding it down would be the price of oil which he again
> has
>> > no control over because the dems up until a couple of weeks ago would
> not
>> > allow drilling in the US.Oh and yes he freed the population of Iraq.
>>
>> Retribution? Last time I checked Osama bin Laden was still sticking two
>> fingers up to Bush. The Taliban are back in control of much of
>> Afganistan.
>> Tens of thousands of innocent people are dead. Some retribution!
>
> He is , and probably living in Pakistan where we are forbidden to get him.
>
>
>> 9.11 did not cause any financial damage. The dotcom bubble was well burst
> by
>> then and the dip in the market on Sept 11 quickly bounced and resumd it's
>> normal pattern.
>
> Well it did not bounce back without considerable federal help from the
> Bush
> administration . Yes I agree the had burst but then that was in the
> waining
> years of the Clinton administration wasn't it.
>
>> "After that he did lower taxes" ? Yes he sure did and ended up with the
>> biggest property crash of all time, banks that were established 160 years
>> ago going bust, and the biggest budget and trade deficit of all time.
>
> lowering taxes is what brought the economy back .It has been known in the
> US
> that lowering taxes results in far more government revenue than raising
> them.
>
>> "control fanny and freddie"? But Bear Stearns went bust before Fanny and
>> Freddie, and Lehmans, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are private
>> companies.
>
> Again if you will check your facts Bush and maccain wanted asked the
> Democrat congress for an oversight bill several time only to be voted down
> by the democrat congress with party line votes every time .the committee
> chairs on this were all dems .senators Dodd,Schumer and Frank were the
> ones
> who were responsible for the calamity not Bush.
>
>
>> "The price of oil"? It is down to $80 a barrel again. It has nothing to
>> do
>> with allowing drilling in the US, more to do with impending recession.
>
> I tend to agree with you on that point ,the problem in my mind is putting
> the product on the world market . If what was produced domestically was
> only
> sold on the US market then domestic gas prices would plummet
>
>> "Freed the population of Iraq"? A funny sort of freedom when a hundred
>> thousand Iraqis had to be killed to achieve it. But according to you
>> previously,  it never was about regime change and "freeing the Iraqi
>> people", it was about WMD!
>
> Regime change was a good by product ,in my view perhaps you would prefer
> Saddam still be running the place .The primary aim was as you say the
> ensure
> he did not have a WMD program which of couse he did at least the
> biological
> and gas aspects of WMD.Whats more he used then on the Kurds as you might
> recall,again perhaps you agrreed with their use.,but that is what we freed
> the Iraqi people from.
>
> It is strange to me that NOW everyone and hisbrother know he did not have
> WMD and before the war no one did . Actually, what Iraq is about the size
> of
> California [3 times the size of the UK] so they still could be there. Your
> figures ,lets have a souce please.
>> I have an idea to save you time. Look up some of Maurice Kellett's posts,
>> change the word Freemason to Democrat and repost.

Ok, let me bring an end to this with these assertions with which I am sure
you will agree:

1. "The buck stops here" is not applicable to Republican presidents and PM
Brown. That is because a democratic president said it so by definition it is
wrong. No, "the buck stops there" is the Republican and New Labour version,
"there" being us, the tax payer.

2. The Democrats and Tories are to blame for the biggest financial mess
since the 1930s, notwithstanding the Republicans have had a President for 
the
past 8 years and control of the House for 12 years until 2007, and on this
side New Labour has been in government for 11 years.

3. State Governors are entitled to fire who they like for whatever reason
they like because they are the boss!

4. Sarah Palin is very well qualified to be leader of the western world as
she has been Mayor of a small town in Nowhereland.

5. US and UK children and graduates are the best educated in the world.

6. More serviceman were killed under Clinton than Bush, ignore the
statistics from Congress that say otherwise, they are a democrat
fabrication.

7. WMDs do exist  and everyone knew it before and after the war no matter
that the UN inspector said there was none before the war and US serviceman
could not find any after the war. They are there. We all know it to be so.

8. We may not have killed Osama bin Laden but so what? We have killed a lot
of others so that will have to do.

9. The biggest budget and trade deficit in history are a good thing because
it keeps the economy growing.

10.  Rumsfeld and Cheney are the most honest politicians around.

11. Creationism is the new science. Anyone who believes in Darwinism is
unAmerican.

12. In God We Trust is our motto. We shall ignore that maybe God does not
trust us anymore.

13. Anyone who allows  the banks to foreclose on their home has only
themselves to blame. It is their fault they are unemployed.

I could go on but you will get the point. Everything is hunkydory under the
Repubs and New Lab. Long may their reign continue.

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> >> "mike hide"  wrote in message
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> >> >
> >> > "Not Today"  wrote in message
> >> > news:28nmlu.tel.17.1@news.alt.net...
> >>
> >> >> Can you name one thing that Bush has done that was a success? Unless
> > you
> >> > can
> >> >> you would be wise to stfu as they say!
> >> >>
> >> > Yep he has taken retribution for 9. 11, and after that he pretty much
> >> > saved
> >> > the financial situation from further damage [grounded all flights in
> >> > the
> >> > air] after that he did lower taxes which ended up with a pretty good
> >> > economy
> >> > until recently. He changed health care medications ,baically due to
him
> >> > mine
> >> > are basically free .If he could have got the Dems to institute laws
to
> >> > control freddy and fanny the economy would still be fine and the only
> >> > thing
> >> > that would be holding it down would be the price of oil which he
again
> > has
> >> > no control over because the dems up until a couple of weeks ago would
> > not
> >> > allow drilling in the US.Oh and yes he freed the population of Iraq.
> >>
> >> Retribution? Last time I checked Osama bin Laden was still sticking two
> >> fingers up to Bush. The Taliban are back in control of much of
> >> Afganistan.
> >> Tens of thousands of innocent people are dead. Some retribution!
> >
> > He is , and probably living in Pakistan where we are forbidden to get
him.
> >
> >
> >> 9.11 did not cause any financial damage. The dotcom bubble was well
burst
> > by
> >> then and the dip in the market on Sept 11 quickly bounced and resumd
it's
> >> normal pattern.
> >
> > Well it did not bounce back without considerable federal help from the
> > Bush
> > administration . Yes I agree the had burst but then that was in the
> > waining
> > years of the Clinton administration wasn't it.
> >
> >> "After that he did lower taxes" ? Yes he sure did and ended up with the
> >> biggest property crash of all time, banks that were established 160
years
> >> ago going bust, and the biggest budget and trade deficit of all time.
> >
> > lowering taxes is what brought the economy back .It has been known in
the
> > US
> > that lowering taxes results in far more government revenue than raising
> > them.
> >
> >> "control fanny and freddie"? But Bear Stearns went bust before Fanny
and
> >> Freddie, and Lehmans, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are private
> >> companies.
> >
> > Again if you will check your facts Bush and maccain wanted asked the
> > Democrat congress for an oversight bill several time only to be voted
down
> > by the democrat congress with party line votes every time .the committee
> > chairs on this were all dems .senators Dodd,Schumer and Frank were the
> > ones
> > who were responsible for the calamity not Bush.
> >
> >
> >> "The price of oil"? It is down to $80 a barrel again. It has nothing to
> >> do
> >> with allowing drilling in the US, more to do with impending recession.
> >
> > I tend to agree with you on that point ,the problem in my mind is
putting
> > the product on the world market . If what was produced domestically was
> > only
> > sold on the US market then domestic gas prices would plummet
> >
> >> "Freed the population of Iraq"? A funny sort of freedom when a hundred
> >> thousand Iraqis had to be killed to achieve it. But according to you
> >> previously,  it never was about regime change and "freeing the Iraqi
> >> people", it was about WMD!
> >
> > Regime change was a good by product ,in my view perhaps you would prefer
> > Saddam still be running the place .The primary aim was as you say the
> > ensure
> > he did not have a WMD program which of couse he did at least the
> > biological
> > and gas aspects of WMD.Whats more he used then on the Kurds as you might
> > recall,again perhaps you agrreed with their use.,but that is what we
freed
> > the Iraqi people from.
> >
> > It is strange to me that NOW everyone and hisbrother know he did not
have
> > WMD and before the war no one did . Actually, what Iraq is about the
size
> > of
> > California [3 times the size of the UK] so they still could be there.
Your
> > figures ,lets have a souce please.
> >> I have an idea to save you time. Look up some of Maurice Kellett's
posts,
> >> change the word Freemason to Democrat and repost.
>
> Ok, let me bring an end to this with these assertions with which I am sure
> you will agree:
>
> 1. "The buck stops here" is not applicable to Republican presidents and PM
> Brown. That is because a democratic president said it so by definition it
is
> wrong. No, "the buck stops there" is the Republican and New Labour
version,
> "there" being us, the tax payer.
>
> 2. The Democrats and Tories are to blame for the biggest financial mess
> since the 1930s, notwithstanding the Republicans have had a President for
> the
> past 8 years and control of the House for 12 years until 2007, and on this
> side New Labour has been in government for 11 years.
>
> 3. State Governors are entitled to fire who they like for whatever reason
> they like because they are the boss!
>
> 4. Sarah Palin is very well qualified to be leader of the western world as
> she has been Mayor of a small town in Nowhereland.
>
> 5. US and UK children and graduates are the best educated in the world.
>
> 6. More serviceman were killed under Clinton than Bush, ignore the
> statistics from Congress that say otherwise, they are a democrat
> fabrication.
>
> 7. WMDs do exist  and everyone knew it before and after the war no matter
> that the UN inspector said there was none before the war and US serviceman
> could not find any after the war. They are there. We all know it to be so.
>
> 8. We may not have killed Osama bin Laden but so what? We have killed a
lot
> of others so that will have to do.
>
> 9. The biggest budget and trade deficit in history are a good thing
because
> it keeps the economy growing.
>
> 10.  Rumsfeld and Cheney are the most honest politicians around.
>
> 11. Creationism is the new science. Anyone who believes in Darwinism is
> unAmerican.
>
> 12. In God We Trust is our motto. We shall ignore that maybe God does not
> trust us anymore.
>
> 13. Anyone who allows  the banks to foreclose on their home has only
> themselves to blame. It is their fault they are unemployed.
>
> I could go on but you will get the point. Everything is hunkydory under
the
> Repubs and New Lab. Long may their reign continue.
>
>
Finally you are beginning to get ,not quite but on the way.....

On Oct 11, 6:36 am, "Not Today"  wrote:
> Pah! It is overrated.
>
> Mike Hide and others make much of Obama's so-called inexperience but maybe
> that is just what is needed. The "experience" of Bush, Brown, Paulson, King,
> Bernanke and Greenspan got us into this mess. It is a peculiar logic that
> says the same experience is needed to get us out of it. We want new thinking
> with an appreciation of history so that the same mistakes will not be made
> again.
>
> I see Hatter views the current situation as an opportunity. Reminds me of
> Kipling's IF. For people who have little this is indeed an opportunity, for
> those that have something they are too scared worrying about losing it to
> take advantage of the situation. Let us hope that " back to basics" becomes
> the new theme. Back to sound money, living within our means, back to
> invention, making something worthwhile to sell, back to real markets where
> the price actually reflects the value people put on things. Not back to the
> monopolistic corporate State that has benefited only those in the
> establishment and their conmen friends in the City for the last 12 years.
>
> If ever there was a time to ask "why have government?" then this is it. For
> they did not foresee a crisis, quite the opposite, by their actions they
> encouraged it, and now they are running round the world on first class
> expenses pretending they are men of action protecting us from the
> consequences of their actions. At best it is a bloody nerve!

HEADLESS chickens come to mind when I watch the wankers in Washington,
and Whitehall.