What * is* this guy saying?

"The accident was as a result of a momentary lapse of judgment on Mr
Watkins’s part. He had an unblemished driving record and his GP can
see no reason why he should not continue to drive," said Mr Peckham.
After he was fined £375 with £620 costs and a £15 surcharge, Watkins
told the court he would appeal the sentence.
"I am prepared to accept a fine, because the driver coming out of a
side road is always the guilty party."
But he said by ordering him to re-take his test, magistrates were
taking away his and his wife’s lifeline in a village with few
amenities he could reach with limited mobility and making it
impossible to visit friends in other parts of the Island.

Why should a re-test take away his lifeline?
If he passes the test he can keep on driving and good luck to him.
If he fails then he should not be driving because he is a danger to
himself and others.

"Qwight" <qwight@not-qwight.invalid> wrote in message 
news:j358f5pord0kv879eh7pt4csnk82inhaqb@4ax.com...
> What * is* this guy saying?
>
> "The accident was as a result of a momentary lapse of judgment on Mr
> Watkins's part. He had an unblemished driving record and his GP can
> see no reason why he should not continue to drive," said Mr Peckham.
> After he was fined £375 with £620 costs and a £15 surcharge, Watkins
> told the court he would appeal the sentence.
> "I am prepared to accept a fine, because the driver coming out of a
> side road is always the guilty party."
> But he said by ordering him to re-take his test, magistrates were
> taking away his and his wife's lifeline in a village with few
> amenities he could reach with limited mobility and making it
> impossible to visit friends in other parts of the Island.
>
> Why should a re-test take away his lifeline?
> If he passes the test he can keep on driving and good luck to him.
> If he fails then he should not be driving because he is a danger to
> himself and others.
>

What is there to stop his friends visiting him?
What is there to stop his friends and/or family taking him out?

I have just spent a week in St Mary's Hospital again. You find out who your 
friends are with regards to lifts for visitors and the number of visitors 
:-))))

Yes to lose my licence would be a blow, BUT, we have considered moving quite 
a few times and it is the closeness of all the amenities and transport 
facilities which has made us decide to stay where we are. Perhaps he should 
reconsider his location



-- 
Mike

The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rneba.org.uk
Luxury Self Catering on the Isle of Wight?
www.shanklinmanormews.co.uk

'Mike' wrote:
> "Qwight" <qwight@not-qwight.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:j358f5pord0kv879eh7pt4csnk82inhaqb@4ax.com...
>> What * is* this guy saying?
>>
>> "The accident was as a result of a momentary lapse of judgment on Mr
>> Watkins's part. He had an unblemished driving record and his GP can
>> see no reason why he should not continue to drive," said Mr Peckham.
>> After he was fined £375 with £620 costs and a £15 surcharge, Watkins
>> told the court he would appeal the sentence.
>> "I am prepared to accept a fine, because the driver coming out of a
>> side road is always the guilty party."
>> But he said by ordering him to re-take his test, magistrates were
>> taking away his and his wife's lifeline in a village with few
>> amenities he could reach with limited mobility and making it
>> impossible to visit friends in other parts of the Island.
>>
>> Why should a re-test take away his lifeline?
>> If he passes the test he can keep on driving and good luck to him.
>> If he fails then he should not be driving because he is a danger to
>> himself and others.
>>
> 
> What is there to stop his friends visiting him?
> What is there to stop his friends and/or family taking him out?
> 
> I have just spent a week in St Mary's Hospital again. You find out who your 
> friends are with regards to lifts for visitors and the number of visitors 
> :-))))
> 
> Yes to lose my licence would be a blow, BUT, we have considered moving quite 
> a few times and it is the closeness of all the amenities and transport 
> facilities which has made us decide to stay where we are. Perhaps he should 
> reconsider his location
> 
> 
> 
absolutely ridiculous. If his GP says there is no reason why he 
shouldn't be driving, then taking a re-test should be no problem..and if 
he fails thats another dangerous driver off our streets.

I don't give a damn about where he lives...thats a personal choice

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:19:57 +0000, kj
 wrote:

>absolutely ridiculous. If his GP says there is no reason why he 
>shouldn't be driving, then taking a re-test should be no problem..and if 
>he fails thats another dangerous driver off our streets.
>
>I don't give a damn about where he lives...thats a personal choice

The only possible inference from what he says is that he knows he
cannot pass the test.
IMO there are not nearly enough re-tests. I would make it a statutory
requirement for anyone convicted of careless driving (or worse) to
revert immediately to provisional licence status until they re-pass
the test.

Qwight wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:19:57 +0000, kj
>  wrote:
> 
>> absolutely ridiculous. If his GP says there is no reason why he 
>> shouldn't be driving, then taking a re-test should be no problem..and if 
>> he fails thats another dangerous driver off our streets.
>>
>> I don't give a damn about where he lives...thats a personal choice
> 
> The only possible inference from what he says is that he knows he
> cannot pass the test.
> IMO there are not nearly enough re-tests. I would make it a statutory
> requirement for anyone convicted of careless driving (or worse) to
> revert immediately to provisional licence status until they re-pass
> the test. 
  and an annual event for anybody over 70

You know, there ARE these things called buses that run around the
Island...

>>>
>>> I don't give a damn about where he lives...thats a personal choice
>>
>> The only possible inference from what he says is that he knows he
>> cannot pass the test.
>> IMO there are not nearly enough re-tests. I would make it a statutory
>> requirement for anyone convicted of careless driving (or worse) to
>> revert immediately to provisional licence status until they re-pass
>> the test.
>  and an annual event for anybody over 70

Agree completely, but would also raise the age you can get a driving licence 
(and alcohol but that's another matter) to 21 - exception being those in the 
military and essential services who would still be able to take their test 
at 17.

Roger

Roger wrote:
>>>> I don't give a damn about where he lives...thats a personal choice
>>> The only possible inference from what he says is that he knows he
>>> cannot pass the test.
>>> IMO there are not nearly enough re-tests. I would make it a statutory
>>> requirement for anyone convicted of careless driving (or worse) to
>>> revert immediately to provisional licence status until they re-pass
>>> the test.
>>  and an annual event for anybody over 70
> 
> Agree completely, but would also raise the age you can get a driving licence 
> (and alcohol but that's another matter) to 21 - exception being those in the 
> military and essential services who would still be able to take their test 
> at 17.
> 
> Roger 
> 
> 
would also stage the test..so at 21 you can qualify for a car of less 
than 1000cc..after further test, up to 2 litre and a further test for 
performance cars

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On Nov 6, 10:07 pm, "Roger"  wrote:
> >>> I don't give a damn about where he lives...thats a personal choice
>
> >> The only possible inference from what he says is that he knows he
> >> cannot pass the test.
> >> IMO there are not nearly enough re-tests. I would make it a statutory
> >> requirement for anyone convicted of careless driving (or worse) to
> >> revert immediately to provisional licence status until they re-pass
> >> the test.
> >  and an annual event for anybody over 70
>
> Agree completely, but would also raise the age you can get a driving licence
> (and alcohol but that's another matter) to 21 - exception being those in the
> military and essential services who would still be able to take their test
> at 17.

:0)
maybe, we ought to re-consider also the idea that having left school/
college (..not sure about university in this context) before the age
21, usually 16/17 a further 2/3 years could be spent in a modern
updated social type conscription (not unlike the French version that
existed until around 6 years ago..ish).  Great scheme, me thinks on
further consideration.  Not interested in the old fashioned short back
and sides mentality, nor the mindless 'military' type
indoctrination... but a 21st century scheme for carrying young people
through a desperate age with some input into community assistance/
projects and a chance to instill many adult notions  in a training
environment...less young people driving, less young people trawling
the streets at night, less young people fighthing in pubs,clubs bars
and towns throught the UK...  I can think of hundreds of ways to
occupy a young person for a couple of years or more in a very
productive, community and social spirited way...



mark

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On Nov 6, 12:43 pm, "'Mike'" <'All.finish...@woolies.com> wrote:
> "Qwight" <qwi...@not-qwight.invalid> wrote in message

> > What * is* this guy saying?

> > "The accident was as a result of a momentary lapse of judgment on Mr
> > Watkins's part. He had an unblemished driving record and his GP can
> > see no reason why he should not continue to drive," said Mr Peckham.
> > After he was fined £375 with £620 costs and a £15 surcharge, Watkins
> > told the court he would appeal the sentence.
> > "I am prepared to accept a fine, because the driver coming out of a
> > side road is always the guilty party."
> > But he said by ordering him to re-take his test, magistrates were
> > taking away his and his wife's lifeline in a village with few
> > amenities he could reach with limited mobility and making it
> > impossible to visit friends in other parts of the Island.


> > Why should a re-test take away his lifeline?
> > If he passes the test he can keep on driving and good luck to him.
> > If he fails then he should not be driving because he is a danger to
> > himself and others.


> What is there to stop his friends visiting him?
> What is there to stop his friends and/or family taking him out?

Nothing whatsoever.....  however, that is not the same thing as being
independent....
In addition, the current social thrust is to allow older (vulnerable?)
people to remain at home and independent as old age comes on.
Condemning those that *might* have the capability - including physical
capability - and capacity to not being able to drive for some obscure
legal argument (for example..) just runs completely contrary to
current social thinking.
No doubt any attempt to take away a driving licence from anyone who
was capable of meeting driving test requirements would be challenged
in the ECJ, probably rightly so and probably would be successful.

> I have just spent a week in St Mary's Hospital again. You find out who your
> friends are with regards to lifts for visitors and the number of visitors
> :-))))

Sorry to hear about that mike....
Is it a recurring heart issue..?
My wife went through a heart attack last year and is now on drugs
permanently and it is always a worry for yourself and those around you
with serious illness's of these types.
I hope you are recovering well.....
Maybe it's the parking charges to visit someone in hospital.... don't
get me going on that though!... that affects some peoples attitudes..



> Yes to lose my licence would be a blow, BUT, we have considered moving quite
> a few times and it is the closeness of all the amenities and transport
> facilities which has made us decide to stay where we are. Perhaps he should
> reconsider his location

In general terms, for many different reasons, it is not always
possible to re-locate.
I think that nowadays the car has become nothing short of an essential
item for most people.  The problem is extenuated for those who have a
rural living existence where essential movement and requirements are
not met by local provision...  shops, post offices, medical provision,
banks, transport and much more...


mark

On Nov 6, 12:43 pm, "'Mike'" <'All.finish...@woolies.com> wrote:
> "Qwight" <qwi...@not-qwight.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:j358f5pord0kv879eh7pt4csnk82inhaqb@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > What * is* this guy saying?
>
> > "The accident was as a result of a momentary lapse of judgment on Mr
> > Watkins's part. He had an unblemished driving record and his GP can
> > see no reason why he should not continue to drive," said Mr Peckham.
> > After he was fined £375 with £620 costs and a £15 surcharge, Watkins
> > told the court he would appeal the sentence.
> > "I am prepared to accept a fine, because the driver coming out of a
> > side road is always the guilty party."
> > But he said by ordering him to re-take his test, magistrates were
> > taking away his and his wife's lifeline in a village with few
> > amenities he could reach with limited mobility and making it
> > impossible to visit friends in other parts of the Island.
>
> > Why should a re-test take away his lifeline?
> > If he passes the test he can keep on driving and good luck to him.
> > If he fails then he should not be driving because he is a danger to
> > himself and others.
>
> What is there to stop his friends visiting him?
> What is there to stop his friends and/or family taking him out?
>
> I have just spent a week in St Mary's Hospital again. You find out who your
> friends are with regards to lifts for visitors and the number of visitors
> :-))))
>
> Yes to lose my licence would be a blow, BUT, we have considered moving quite
> a few times and it is the closeness of all the amenities and transport
> facilities which has made us decide to stay where we are. Perhaps he should
> reconsider his location
>
> --
> Mike
>
> The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Associationwww.rneba.org.uk
> Luxury Self Catering on the Isle of Wight?www.shanklinmanormews.co.uk

I didnt think you needed a license for the little electric disabled
buggy you drive now?

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:31:44 -0800 (PST), "mark ." 
wrote:
>Condemning those that *might* have the capability - including physical
>capability - and capacity to not being able to drive for some obscure
>legal argument (for example..) just runs completely contrary to
>current social thinking.
>
Who has suggested such an approach? If the guy passes the driving test
- the same one as any other potential driver - then he should and will
be allowed to drive. No argument - obscure or legal or anything else.


>No doubt any attempt to take away a driving licence from anyone who
>was capable of meeting driving test requirements would be challenged
>in the ECJ, probably rightly so and probably would be successful.
>
See above.

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On Nov 7, 4:56 pm, Qwight <qwi...@not-qwight.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:31:44 -0800 (PST), "mark ." 
> wrote:>Condemning those that *might* have the capability - including physical
> >capability - and capacity to not being able to drive for some obscure
> >legal argument (for example..) just runs completely contrary to
> >current social thinking.


> Who has suggested such an approach? If the guy passes the driving test
> - the same one as any other potential driver - then he should and will
> be allowed to drive. No argument - obscure or legal or anything else.


do try and read what I said......   we are saying exactly the same
thing..



> >No doubt any attempt to take away a driving licence from anyone who
> >was capable of meeting driving test requirements would be challenged
> >in the ECJ, probably rightly so and probably would be successful.


> See above.

yes.  as above.
I'm saying EXACTLY the same thing as you..


mark

On Nov 8, 9:06 am, "mark ."  wrote:
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>
> On Nov 7, 4:56 pm, Qwight <qwi...@not-qwight.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:31:44 -0800 (PST), "mark ." 
> > wrote:>Condemning those that *might* have the capability - including physical
> > >capability - and capacity to not being able to drive for some obscure
> > >legal argument (for example..) just runs completely contrary to
> > >current social thinking.
> > Who has suggested such an approach? If the guy passes the driving test
> > - the same one as any other potential driver - then he should and will
> > be allowed to drive. No argument - obscure or legal or anything else.
>
> do try and read what I said......   we are saying exactly the same
> thing..
>
> > >No doubt any attempt to take away a driving licence from anyone who
> > >was capable of meeting driving test requirements would be challenged
> > >in the ECJ, probably rightly so and probably would be successful.
> > See above.
>
> yes.  as above.
> I'm saying EXACTLY the same thing as you..
>
> mark

Hmmmmmm..................understanding of the law on this particular
group seems to be lacking somewhat! Anyone remember the European court
judgment  relating to the UK govs speed camera
scamming?................possibly not!