Enigma code breakers, rebuilt Colossus computer, Alan Turing etc
Coach trip to Bletchley, Milton Keynes on a Sunday late november or early
december. Likely cost per person, £17 for coach and £8 for entry
Further details on my page
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/bletchley.htm

> Enigma code breakers, rebuilt Colossus computer, Alan Turing etc
> Coach trip to Bletchley, Milton Keynes on a Sunday late november or early
> december. Likely cost per person, £17 for coach and £8 for entry
> Further details on my page
> http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/bletchley.htm

A splendid machine - they also had a 3-wheel Enigma in Portsmouth Dockyard a 
few years ago but I understand it is now on show elsewhere.

Anyone know where (In the UK) I can see one of the few 5-wheel Enigma 
machines?

"N_Cook"  wrote in message 
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> Enigma code breakers, rebuilt Colossus computer, Alan Turing etc
> Coach trip to Bletchley, Milton Keynes on a Sunday late november or early
> december. Likely cost per person, £17 for coach and £8 for entry
> Further details on my page
> http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/bletchley.htm
>
>
You state on your details page that the "magic number" of passengers would 
be 27 so i assume this would be a break even figure and naturally you would 
not subsidise the coach hire from your own money (rightly so), at £17 per 
person that would be £459 so that pays for the days coach hire --- assuming 
a normal 53 seat coach is used and you fill it that will be another 26 
passengers at £17 per person that would be £442 profit even if you only got 
37 passengers you would still get a profit of £170 NOT A BAD RETURN FOR A 
DAYS WORK TAX FREE, --- FOR THAT REASON COUNT ME OUT THANK YOU

Richard Bird  wrote in message
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>
> "N_Cook"  wrote in message
> news:gb4tr6$ou1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Enigma code breakers, rebuilt Colossus computer, Alan Turing etc
> > Coach trip to Bletchley, Milton Keynes on a Sunday late november or
early
> > december. Likely cost per person, £17 for coach and £8 for entry
> > Further details on my page
> > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/bletchley.htm
> >
> >
> You state on your details page that the "magic number" of passengers would
> be 27 so i assume this would be a break even figure and naturally you
would
> not subsidise the coach hire from your own money (rightly so), at £17 per
> person that would be £459 so that pays for the days coach hire ---
assuming
> a normal 53 seat coach is used and you fill it that will be another 26
> passengers at £17 per person that would be £442 profit even if you only
got
> 37 passengers you would still get a profit of £170 NOT A BAD RETURN FOR A
> DAYS WORK TAX FREE, --- FOR THAT REASON COUNT ME OUT THANK YOU
>
>


Too many assumptions. 29 seater coach is £466 , for minimum liability to
myself.
You can try and get a guaranteed 53 people to fill a coach with liability of
£600 to £700 hanging over you - not me.

"N_Cook"  wrote in message 
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> Richard Bird  wrote in message
> news:VvnBk.74413$RJ3.51195@newsfe10.ams2...
>>
>> "N_Cook"  wrote in message
>> news:gb4tr6$ou1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> > Enigma code breakers, rebuilt Colossus computer, Alan Turing etc
>> > Coach trip to Bletchley, Milton Keynes on a Sunday late november or
> early
>> > december. Likely cost per person, £17 for coach and £8 for entry
>> > Further details on my page
>> > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/bletchley.htm
>> >
>> >
>> You state on your details page that the "magic number" of passengers 
>> would
>> be 27 so i assume this would be a break even figure and naturally you
> would
>> not subsidise the coach hire from your own money (rightly so), at £17 per
>> person that would be £459 so that pays for the days coach hire ---
> assuming
>> a normal 53 seat coach is used and you fill it that will be another 26
>> passengers at £17 per person that would be £442 profit even if you only
> got
>> 37 passengers you would still get a profit of £170 NOT A BAD RETURN FOR A
>> DAYS WORK TAX FREE, --- FOR THAT REASON COUNT ME OUT THANK YOU
>>
>>
>
>
> Too many assumptions. 29 seater coach is £466 , for minimum liability to
> myself.
> You can try and get a guaranteed 53 people to fill a coach with liability 
> of
> £600 to £700 hanging over you - not me.
>
>
  I wonder why some people always assume that when somebody organises a 
function or a trip, they are out make a profit. I think £17.00 per head for 
a trip to Bletchley Park Museum is very reasonable, if you make a profit, so 
what. I am the chairman of a social committee, and any profit I make cuts 
the cost of the next function. People that make these assumptions are 
usually out to make a profit themselves and get upset if they think someone 
else has beaten them to the draw. I think Mr Bird needs to get a life and 
take a long hard look at himself, and maybe change his name to Victor 
Meldrew.

Bystander

In a dim and distant universe <QunBk.74412$RJ3.55642@newsfe10.ams2>,
   Brad Thrust  enlightened us thusly:
> A splendid machine - they also had a 3-wheel Enigma in Portsmouth
> Dockyard a few years ago but I understand it is now on show elsewhere.

Indeed. I remember seeing it there.

> Anyone know where (In the UK) I can see one of the few 5-wheel Enigma
> machines? 

A friend of mine (Paul Reuvers) has the largest collection of original
Enigma machines in the world (over 30 I believe at the last count) and is
probably the world's foremost expert on the subbject (being consultant to
Bletchley Park museum). Unfortunately he's based in Holland though, but his
website is at http://www.xat.nl/enigma/index.htm

He's just given me an Enigma-E machine as a kit, which I hope to build
soon. (http://www.xat.nl/enigma-e/) but he has some excellent software
emulations (at the first link above) which you can download for free.

I'd be interested in the trip, but I'm not sure I could get to Southampton
by 7.30am (knowing how intermittent trains are around here on Sundays) :-(

Paul


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In a dim and distant universe <a7pBk.15812$a01.14968@newsfe15.ams2>,
   Bystander  enlightened us thusly:

>   I wonder why some people always assume that when somebody organises a
> function or a trip, they are out make a profit. I think £17.00 per head
> for a trip to Bletchley Park Museum is very reasonable, if you make a
> profit, so what. I am the chairman of a social committee, and any profit
> I make cuts the cost of the next function.

Indeed, and the train from here (or petrol for that matter) would no doubt
be a lot more than £17 return.

I'd say good on Nigel for organising it, and just a pity I don't think I'll
be able to go myself.

Paul


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Bystander  wrote in message
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>
> "N_Cook"  wrote in message
> news:gb55d0$vis$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > Richard Bird  wrote in message
> > news:VvnBk.74413$RJ3.51195@newsfe10.ams2...
> >>
> >> "N_Cook"  wrote in message
> >> news:gb4tr6$ou1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> > Enigma code breakers, rebuilt Colossus computer, Alan Turing etc
> >> > Coach trip to Bletchley, Milton Keynes on a Sunday late november or
> > early
> >> > december. Likely cost per person, £17 for coach and £8 for entry
> >> > Further details on my page
> >> > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/bletchley.htm
> >> >
> >> >
> >> You state on your details page that the "magic number" of passengers
> >> would
> >> be 27 so i assume this would be a break even figure and naturally you
> > would
> >> not subsidise the coach hire from your own money (rightly so), at £17
per
> >> person that would be £459 so that pays for the days coach hire ---
> > assuming
> >> a normal 53 seat coach is used and you fill it that will be another 26
> >> passengers at £17 per person that would be £442 profit even if you only
> > got
> >> 37 passengers you would still get a profit of £170 NOT A BAD RETURN FOR
A
> >> DAYS WORK TAX FREE, --- FOR THAT REASON COUNT ME OUT THANK YOU
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Too many assumptions. 29 seater coach is £466 , for minimum liability to
> > myself.
> > You can try and get a guaranteed 53 people to fill a coach with
liability
> > of
> > £600 to £700 hanging over you - not me.
> >
> >
>   I wonder why some people always assume that when somebody organises a
> function or a trip, they are out make a profit. I think £17.00 per head
for
> a trip to Bletchley Park Museum is very reasonable, if you make a profit,
so
> what. I am the chairman of a social committee, and any profit I make cuts
> the cost of the next function. People that make these assumptions are
> usually out to make a profit themselves and get upset if they think
someone
> else has beaten them to the draw. I think Mr Bird needs to get a life and
> take a long hard look at himself, and maybe change his name to Victor
> Meldrew.
>
> Bystander
>
>
>

Indeed.
For anyone wishing to use the proper scheduled commercial excursion
services, (could not find any from SO or PO or Winchester) eg from
Chichester

http://www.woodstravel.co.uk/day-excursions/Bletchley-Park-The-Enigma-i332

30 September 2008
Adult £43
I hope that includes the £8 for admission

Paul Vigay  wrote in message
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> In a dim and distant universe <QunBk.74412$RJ3.55642@newsfe10.ams2>,
>    Brad Thrust  enlightened us thusly:
> > A splendid machine - they also had a 3-wheel Enigma in Portsmouth
> > Dockyard a few years ago but I understand it is now on show elsewhere.
>
> Indeed. I remember seeing it there.
>
> > Anyone know where (In the UK) I can see one of the few 5-wheel Enigma
> > machines?
>
> A friend of mine (Paul Reuvers) has the largest collection of original
> Enigma machines in the world (over 30 I believe at the last count) and is
> probably the world's foremost expert on the subbject (being consultant to
> Bletchley Park museum). Unfortunately he's based in Holland though, but
his
> website is at http://www.xat.nl/enigma/index.htm
>
> He's just given me an Enigma-E machine as a kit, which I hope to build
> soon. (http://www.xat.nl/enigma-e/) but he has some excellent software
> emulations (at the first link above) which you can download for free.
>
> I'd be interested in the trip, but I'm not sure I could get to Southampton
> by 7.30am (knowing how intermittent trains are around here on Sundays) :-(
>
> Paul
>
>
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Personally I'm a bit more interested in the Colossus rebuild, but I'll look
at that Dutch site

I downloaded this large file on the Colossus rebuild
http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/documents/newman/newman.pdf
and hope I can find time to peruse it in detail before visiting Bletchley,
and also the maths behind the decoding from the files on the BP site.

In a dim and distant universe <gb5gmc$alt$2@registered.motzarella.org>,
   N_Cook  enlightened us thusly:
[Snippety snip]

> Personally I'm a bit more interested in the Colossus rebuild, but I'll
> look at that Dutch site

Indeed - although I'm not sure I have the room to rebuild one of those. ;-)

> I downloaded this large file on the Colossus rebuild
> http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/documents/newman/newman.pdf and hope I
> can find time to peruse it in detail before visiting Bletchley, and also
> the maths behind the decoding from the files on the BP site.

I can recommend the book "Colossus" by B.Jack Copeland (ISBN 0-19-284055-X)
which gives quite a good account of Colossus and Bletchley.

If you ever get the chance to visit the Southampton RISC OS User Group
meetings (second Tuesday in the month at Itchen College, room S1 I think -
next one on 14th October) I'll see if I can bring the Enigma-E along
sometime.

Paul


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"Paul Vigay"  wrote in message 
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> In a dim and distant universe <gb5gmc$alt$2@registered.motzarella.org>,
>   N_Cook  enlightened us thusly:
> [Snippety snip]
>
>> Personally I'm a bit more interested in the Colossus rebuild, but I'll
>> look at that Dutch site
>
> Indeed - although I'm not sure I have the room to rebuild one of those. 
> ;-)
>
>> I downloaded this large file on the Colossus rebuild
>> http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/documents/newman/newman.pdf and hope I
>> can find time to peruse it in detail before visiting Bletchley, and also
>> the maths behind the decoding from the files on the BP site.
>
> I can recommend the book "Colossus" by B.Jack Copeland (ISBN 
> 0-19-284055-X)
> which gives quite a good account of Colossus and Bletchley.
>
> If you ever get the chance to visit the Southampton RISC OS User Group
> meetings (second Tuesday in the month at Itchen College, room S1 I think -
> next one on 14th October) I'll see if I can bring the Enigma-E along
> sometime.

... or, for IET members, this lecture on Colossus at Hilsea on Wednesday 
24th:
http://www.theiet.org/local/uk/south/solent/lorenz-colossus.cfm
-- 
David Biddulph

David Biddulph <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk> wrote in message
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> "Paul Vigay"  wrote in message
> news:4fe250ca71invalid-email@invalid-domain.co.uk...
> > In a dim and distant universe <gb5gmc$alt$2@registered.motzarella.org>,
> >   N_Cook  enlightened us thusly:
> > [Snippety snip]
> >
> >> Personally I'm a bit more interested in the Colossus rebuild, but I'll
> >> look at that Dutch site
> >
> > Indeed - although I'm not sure I have the room to rebuild one of those.
> > ;-)
> >
> >> I downloaded this large file on the Colossus rebuild
> >> http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/documents/newman/newman.pdf and hope
I
> >> can find time to peruse it in detail before visiting Bletchley, and
also
> >> the maths behind the decoding from the files on the BP site.
> >
> > I can recommend the book "Colossus" by B.Jack Copeland (ISBN
> > 0-19-284055-X)
> > which gives quite a good account of Colossus and Bletchley.
> >
> > If you ever get the chance to visit the Southampton RISC OS User Group
> > meetings (second Tuesday in the month at Itchen College, room S1 I
think -
> > next one on 14th October) I'll see if I can bring the Enigma-E along
> > sometime.
>
> ... or, for IET members, this lecture on Colossus at Hilsea on Wednesday
> 24th:
> http://www.theiet.org/local/uk/south/solent/lorenz-colossus.cfm
> --
> David Biddulph
>
>


I contacted Mr Harvey and apparently the lecture tomorrow  is open to the
public , for anyone local and  interested.