OK Mike, Here it is in a layman's nutshell. (question to Mike Martin of 
United Grand Lodge Of England)

You have answered nothing, just the same old Masonic answers year after year.
 You only skim the surface of anything anti masonic. You spend all of your 
time telling the victims it didn't happen ?

Here's a suggestion. We are a genuine victims of Freemasonry group with 
concrete evidence. We all get intense masonic persecution and harassment to 
try to break us down, all documented.

We know you don't want us to present our evidence to a non-masonic 
environment. You've had it the masons way for too long.

Freemasonry has MOUNTAINS of money and it's perceived to be a wonderful good 
charitable fraternity of men ? (so they tell us in THEIR Media and spiel).

Well, if thats the case, why don't you lend Second Family UK some money to 
get to the truth eh ? If we tell any lies or we can't prove our stories, we 
will quadruple the repayments and become members to help spread this sublime 
group of good people (still baffled why it can't be done free for everyone 
in the community).

If we were a good transparent charity, we would not have a problem defending 
ourselves. We would pay lots of money to see the evidence and if there was 
corruption, we would act to stop it immediately.

You won't sue us because you are afraid of the truth.

Come on Masons, this is a very simple request in your favour ?  

Joe Stirling www.secondfamily-uk.com
_________________
I am a founding member of Second Family (UK), a support group for victims of 
Freemasonry. We are not a hate or revenge group, only to peacefully campaign 
for change. Our aims are to help and educate each other.

We are being fleeced 24/7. There is only ONE problem and that is Freemasonry 
and Common Purpose (same legal gang)

url:http://www.myreader.co.uk/gp/1079-1.aspx

Nutter

"www.secondfamily-uk.com"  wrote in message 
news:4f03bd40e42d4efd9495dbf902e6089f@newspe.com...
> OK Mike, Here it is in a layman's nutshell. (question to Mike Martin of
> United Grand Lodge Of England)
>
> You have answered nothing, just the same old Masonic answers year after 
> year.
> You only skim the surface of anything anti masonic. You spend all of your
> time telling the victims it didn't happen ?
>
> Here's a suggestion. We are a genuine victims of Freemasonry group with
> concrete evidence. We all get intense masonic persecution and harassment 
> to
> try to break us down, all documented.
>
> We know you don't want us to present our evidence to a non-masonic
> environment. You've had it the masons way for too long.
>
> Freemasonry has MOUNTAINS of money and it's perceived to be a wonderful 
> good
> charitable fraternity of men ? (so they tell us in THEIR Media and spiel).
>
> Well, if thats the case, why don't you lend Second Family UK some money to
> get to the truth eh ? If we tell any lies or we can't prove our stories, 
> we
> will quadruple the repayments and become members to help spread this 
> sublime
> group of good people (still baffled why it can't be done free for everyone
> in the community).
>
> If we were a good transparent charity, we would not have a problem 
> defending
> ourselves. We would pay lots of money to see the evidence and if there was
> corruption, we would act to stop it immediately.
>
> You won't sue us because you are afraid of the truth.
>
> Come on Masons, this is a very simple request in your favour ?
>
> Joe Stirling www.secondfamily-uk.com
> _________________
> I am a founding member of Second Family (UK), a support group for victims 
> of
> Freemasonry. We are not a hate or revenge group, only to peacefully 
> campaign
> for change. Our aims are to help and educate each other.
>
> We are being fleeced 24/7. There is only ONE problem and that is 
> Freemasonry
> and Common Purpose (same legal gang)
>
> url:http://www.myreader.co.uk/gp/1079-1.aspx

"www.secondfamily-uk.com"  wrote

A lot of statements in this load of nonsense proves how very little he knows 
about Freemasons in any case!  For a start - you can`t just join! LOL!

Pat