An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
She will be asking her union for advice as well.

She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.

The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
dishonest in her interview/application. 

The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.

The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.

The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
Headship again in the autumn.

She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
process again.

She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.

As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
or money protected in any way?

P.S. It's not me.
-- 
Sheel       (Change me to me2 to email.)

Sheel warbled...
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
> 
No.
-- 
Bev.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here. 

teach her how to do it herself

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.

not legal
cannot happen

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments.

I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was not good 
enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me again.. Probably 
explains why I am not  a  head!

Terrys

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?

I know of a secondary teacher who was acting HT twice. Neither time did she 
get the 'proper' job, although the first HT that was appointed lasted just 
over a year, was a disaster and left under a cloud.

-- 
Ellie

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
>
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
>
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application.
>
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
>
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
>
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
>
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
>
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
>
> P.S. It's not me.
> -- 
> Sheel       (Change me to me2 to email.)


You can never be sure that a better qualified applicant would not apply, so 
there can be no guarantees. However, if she gives up after one failed 
attempt, she is not showing much persistence (which is probably one of the 
most important qualities of a Head).

John.

Sheel warbled...
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
> 
No.
-- 
Bev.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here. 

teach her how to do it herself

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.

not legal
cannot happen

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments.

I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was not good 
enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me again.. Probably 
explains why I am not  a  head!

Terrys

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?

I know of a secondary teacher who was acting HT twice. Neither time did she 
get the 'proper' job, although the first HT that was appointed lasted just 
over a year, was a disaster and left under a cloud.

-- 
Ellie

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
>
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
>
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application.
>
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
>
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
>
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
>
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
>
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
>
> P.S. It's not me.
> -- 
> Sheel       (Change me to me2 to email.)


You can never be sure that a better qualified applicant would not apply, so 
there can be no guarantees. However, if she gives up after one failed 
attempt, she is not showing much persistence (which is probably one of the 
most important qualities of a Head).

John.

In article , Terry
 wrote:
> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!

> Terrys




Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
the second time. Has she no pride?

But if she wants the job I reckon the governors should just carry her
papers over from last time - after all, when re=advertising, they
often say previous applicants will be reconsidered / need not reapply
......!!

And this is just a readvertising  ... with a bigger gap than usual!

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

Sheel warbled...
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
> 
No.
-- 
Bev.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here. 

teach her how to do it herself

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.

not legal
cannot happen

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments.

I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was not good 
enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me again.. Probably 
explains why I am not  a  head!

Terrys

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?

I know of a secondary teacher who was acting HT twice. Neither time did she 
get the 'proper' job, although the first HT that was appointed lasted just 
over a year, was a disaster and left under a cloud.

-- 
Ellie

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
>
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
>
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application.
>
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
>
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
>
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
>
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
>
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
>
> P.S. It's not me.
> -- 
> Sheel       (Change me to me2 to email.)


You can never be sure that a better qualified applicant would not apply, so 
there can be no guarantees. However, if she gives up after one failed 
attempt, she is not showing much persistence (which is probably one of the 
most important qualities of a Head).

John.

In article , Terry
 wrote:
> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!

> Terrys




Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
the second time. Has she no pride?

But if she wants the job I reckon the governors should just carry her
papers over from last time - after all, when re=advertising, they
often say previous applicants will be reconsidered / need not reapply
......!!

And this is just a readvertising  ... with a bigger gap than usual!

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
> 
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
> 
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application. 
> 
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
> 
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
> 
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
> 
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
> 
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
> 
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
No "official" way to guarantee they will get the job. However, nods & 
winks go on all the time. A local school only shortlisted 1 candidate 
for a headship, who was appointed. However, application was open to all 
& the post was nationally advertised, which is the legal requirement

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message 
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

[ Apologies if this is a repeat... first attempt earlier today never 
appeared here :-(  ]

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel warbled...
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
> 
No.
-- 
Bev.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here. 

teach her how to do it herself

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.

not legal
cannot happen

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments.

I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was not good 
enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me again.. Probably 
explains why I am not  a  head!

Terrys

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?

I know of a secondary teacher who was acting HT twice. Neither time did she 
get the 'proper' job, although the first HT that was appointed lasted just 
over a year, was a disaster and left under a cloud.

-- 
Ellie

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
>
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
>
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application.
>
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
>
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
>
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
>
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
>
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
>
> P.S. It's not me.
> -- 
> Sheel       (Change me to me2 to email.)


You can never be sure that a better qualified applicant would not apply, so 
there can be no guarantees. However, if she gives up after one failed 
attempt, she is not showing much persistence (which is probably one of the 
most important qualities of a Head).

John.

In article , Terry
 wrote:
> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!

> Terrys




Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
the second time. Has she no pride?

But if she wants the job I reckon the governors should just carry her
papers over from last time - after all, when re=advertising, they
often say previous applicants will be reconsidered / need not reapply
......!!

And this is just a readvertising  ... with a bigger gap than usual!

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
> 
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
> 
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application. 
> 
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
> 
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
> 
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
> 
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
> 
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
> 
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
No "official" way to guarantee they will get the job. However, nods & 
winks go on all the time. A local school only shortlisted 1 candidate 
for a headship, who was appointed. However, application was open to all 
& the post was nationally advertised, which is the legal requirement

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message 
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

[ Apologies if this is a repeat... first attempt earlier today never 
appeared here :-(  ]

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel warbled...
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
> 
No.
-- 
Bev.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here. 

teach her how to do it herself

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.

not legal
cannot happen

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments.

I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was not good 
enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me again.. Probably 
explains why I am not  a  head!

Terrys

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?

I know of a secondary teacher who was acting HT twice. Neither time did she 
get the 'proper' job, although the first HT that was appointed lasted just 
over a year, was a disaster and left under a cloud.

-- 
Ellie

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
>
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
>
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application.
>
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
>
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
>
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
>
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
>
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
>
> P.S. It's not me.
> -- 
> Sheel       (Change me to me2 to email.)


You can never be sure that a better qualified applicant would not apply, so 
there can be no guarantees. However, if she gives up after one failed 
attempt, she is not showing much persistence (which is probably one of the 
most important qualities of a Head).

John.

In article , Terry
 wrote:
> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!

> Terrys




Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
the second time. Has she no pride?

But if she wants the job I reckon the governors should just carry her
papers over from last time - after all, when re=advertising, they
often say previous applicants will be reconsidered / need not reapply
......!!

And this is just a readvertising  ... with a bigger gap than usual!

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
> 
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
> 
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application. 
> 
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
> 
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
> 
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
> 
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
> 
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
> 
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
No "official" way to guarantee they will get the job. However, nods & 
winks go on all the time. A local school only shortlisted 1 candidate 
for a headship, who was appointed. However, application was open to all 
& the post was nationally advertised, which is the legal requirement

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message 
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

[ Apologies if this is a repeat... first attempt earlier today never 
appeared here :-(  ]

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel warbled...
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
> 
No.
-- 
Bev.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here. 

teach her how to do it herself

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.

not legal
cannot happen

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments.

I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was not good 
enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me again.. Probably 
explains why I am not  a  head!

Terrys

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?

I know of a secondary teacher who was acting HT twice. Neither time did she 
get the 'proper' job, although the first HT that was appointed lasted just 
over a year, was a disaster and left under a cloud.

-- 
Ellie

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
>
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
>
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application.
>
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
>
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
>
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
>
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
>
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
>
> P.S. It's not me.
> -- 
> Sheel       (Change me to me2 to email.)


You can never be sure that a better qualified applicant would not apply, so 
there can be no guarantees. However, if she gives up after one failed 
attempt, she is not showing much persistence (which is probably one of the 
most important qualities of a Head).

John.

In article , Terry
 wrote:
> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!

> Terrys




Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
the second time. Has she no pride?

But if she wants the job I reckon the governors should just carry her
papers over from last time - after all, when re=advertising, they
often say previous applicants will be reconsidered / need not reapply
......!!

And this is just a readvertising  ... with a bigger gap than usual!

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
> 
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
> 
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application. 
> 
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
> 
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
> 
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
> 
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
> 
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
> 
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
No "official" way to guarantee they will get the job. However, nods & 
winks go on all the time. A local school only shortlisted 1 candidate 
for a headship, who was appointed. However, application was open to all 
& the post was nationally advertised, which is the legal requirement

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message 
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

[ Apologies if this is a repeat... first attempt earlier today never 
appeared here :-(  ]

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel warbled...
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
> 
No.
-- 
Bev.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here. 

teach her how to do it herself

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.

not legal
cannot happen

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments.

I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was not good 
enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me again.. Probably 
explains why I am not  a  head!

Terrys

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?

I know of a secondary teacher who was acting HT twice. Neither time did she 
get the 'proper' job, although the first HT that was appointed lasted just 
over a year, was a disaster and left under a cloud.

-- 
Ellie

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
>
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
>
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application.
>
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
>
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
>
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
>
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
>
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
>
> P.S. It's not me.
> -- 
> Sheel       (Change me to me2 to email.)


You can never be sure that a better qualified applicant would not apply, so 
there can be no guarantees. However, if she gives up after one failed 
attempt, she is not showing much persistence (which is probably one of the 
most important qualities of a Head).

John.

In article , Terry
 wrote:
> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!

> Terrys




Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
the second time. Has she no pride?

But if she wants the job I reckon the governors should just carry her
papers over from last time - after all, when re=advertising, they
often say previous applicants will be reconsidered / need not reapply
......!!

And this is just a readvertising  ... with a bigger gap than usual!

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
> 
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
> 
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application. 
> 
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
> 
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
> 
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
> 
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
> 
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
> 
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
No "official" way to guarantee they will get the job. However, nods & 
winks go on all the time. A local school only shortlisted 1 candidate 
for a headship, who was appointed. However, application was open to all 
& the post was nationally advertised, which is the legal requirement

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message 
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

[ Apologies if this is a repeat... first attempt earlier today never 
appeared here :-(  ]

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel warbled...
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
> 
No.
-- 
Bev.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here. 

teach her how to do it herself

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.

In article ,
   Sheel  wrote:

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.

not legal
cannot happen

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments.

I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was not good 
enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me again.. Probably 
explains why I am not  a  head!

Terrys

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.

> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?

I know of a secondary teacher who was acting HT twice. Neither time did she 
get the 'proper' job, although the first HT that was appointed lasted just 
over a year, was a disaster and left under a cloud.

-- 
Ellie

"Sheel"  wrote in message 
news:fjj79355muq5inmcajqusbg9b6fj09vg5c@4ax.com...
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
>
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
>
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application.
>
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
>
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
>
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
>
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
>
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
>
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
>
> P.S. It's not me.
> -- 
> Sheel       (Change me to me2 to email.)


You can never be sure that a better qualified applicant would not apply, so 
there can be no guarantees. However, if she gives up after one failed 
attempt, she is not showing much persistence (which is probably one of the 
most important qualities of a Head).

John.

In article , Terry
 wrote:
> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!

> Terrys




Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
the second time. Has she no pride?

But if she wants the job I reckon the governors should just carry her
papers over from last time - after all, when re=advertising, they
often say previous applicants will be reconsidered / need not reapply
......!!

And this is just a readvertising  ... with a bigger gap than usual!

-- 
Gertie. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that 
reply-to address works but not to html mail, hotmail or aol addresses


A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]

Sheel wrote:
> An Acting Head has asked me to post this question here.
> She will be asking her union for advice as well.
> 
> She was Acting Head of a school for 6 consecutive terms. Just before
> the end of the 6th term she was interviewed for the Headship.
> 
> The job was given to the only other applicant, who we now know was
> dishonest in her interview/application. 
> 
> The Acting Head went back to being a senior teacher in the school.
> 
> The new Head lasted for 2 terms and left.
> 
> The senior teacher was again asked to be the Acting Head. She has now
> just finished her 3rd term and has been asked to apply for the
> Headship again in the autumn.
> 
> She doesn't want to go through the application/interview/rejection
> process again.
> 
> She said she'll only apply if very sure of being appointed.
> 
> As she has been in the role for 6 terms and then 3 terms, is her job
> or money protected in any way?
> 
> P.S. It's not me.
No "official" way to guarantee they will get the job. However, nods & 
winks go on all the time. A local school only shortlisted 1 candidate 
for a headship, who was appointed. However, application was open to all 
& the post was nationally advertised, which is the legal requirement

"gertie@grumbles"  wrote in message 
news:4f009b76cfgertie@grumbles.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article , Terry
>  wrote:
>> I would have told them to stuff it the second time around! If I was
>> not good enough for the headship after 3 terms, then why ask me
>> again.. Probably explains why I am not  a  head!
>
>> Terrys
>
>
>
>
> Yeah - if she wasn't good enough, why did she agree to be acting head
> the second time. Has she no pride?
>

[ Apologies if this is a repeat... first attempt earlier today never 
appeared here :-(  ]

As I read this, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest this person isn't
good enough - merely that, for whatever reasons, the original selection
panel chose someone else.

It's worth remembering that these days selection decisions need to be
objectively documented, in case it is challenged for any one of a number of
potentially discriminatory reasons.

I think she should definitely have another go.  More experience than last
time (isn't that what annual pay increments are supposed to reflect?) and,
at the very least, good practice for applying externally!

-- 
Martin
[ remove barrier to reply ]