Can someone using ukfsn try to reach this page:
http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod06&l_submenu_id=m001_06_01

When I try I get the basic fixed layout, menu bar and a blank white
rectangle below. That rectangle should contain lots of forum
subsections.

The page works correctly for friends on {spit}BT, and friends in other
countries.

I can't believe it's something my end, as I've tried using three
different machines, and Opera V10, Firefox V3.0 & V3.5

The site moved servers last week, and I'm wondering if ukfsn hasn't
fully updated the DNS changes.

-- 
Will J G

On 2009-11-01, Folderol  wrote:
> Can someone using ukfsn try to reach this page:
> http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod06&l_submenu_id=m001_06_01
>
> When I try I get the basic fixed layout, menu bar and a blank white
> rectangle below. That rectangle should contain lots of forum
> subsections.
>
> The page works correctly for friends on {spit}BT, and friends in other
> countries.
>
> I can't believe it's something my end, as I've tried using three
> different machines, and Opera V10, Firefox V3.0 & V3.5
>
> The site moved servers last week, and I'm wondering if ukfsn hasn't
> fully updated the DNS changes.
>

I'm not connected via UKFSN (any more), but via a Virgin Media 
connection, I get the same plain white rectangle with no content.

hth
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Jon
____________________________________________
jondotrogersatblueyonderdotcodotuk
============================================

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:54:49 +0000, Folderol wrote:

> When I try I get the basic fixed layout, menu bar and a blank white
> rectangle below. That rectangle should contain lots of forum
> subsections.

That is what I get. Lokking at the source I suspect it's all that
script stuff that isn't supported by all browsers or check that:

<script language="JavaScript" src="../../milonic_src.js"

points to the right place,

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Cheers
Dave.

Folderol wrote:

> Can someone using ukfsn try to reach this page:
> http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod06&l_submenu_id=m001_06_01
> 
> When I try I get the basic fixed layout, menu bar and a blank white
> rectangle below. That rectangle should contain lots of forum
> subsections.


Blank using Konqueror 3.5.10 and Firefox 3.0.15 from Zen.
-- 
Dave

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:54:49 +0000, Folderol wrote:

> Can someone using ukfsn try to reach this page:
> http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod06&l_submenu_id=m001_06_01
> 
> When I try I get the basic fixed layout, menu bar and a blank white
> rectangle below. That rectangle should contain lots of forum subsections.
> 
> The page works correctly for friends on {spit}BT, and friends in other
> countries.
> 
> I can't believe it's something my end, as I've tried using three different
> machines, and Opera V10, Firefox V3.0 & V3.5
> 
> The site moved servers last week, and I'm wondering if ukfsn hasn't fully
> updated the DNS changes.

I use VM but I run my own nameservers. I see the same blank menu. The DNS
appears to be correct, the Whois entry matches the delegation from the
GTLD servers and the answer given directly by the authoritative servers
matches the one my server delivers.

One thing looks suspicious - in the source, just where the missing content
should appear, is the comment: "<!- ADD section ->". Could it be that the
site has moved to the new host while the version on there is incomplete,
and your friends are seeing the old version due to caching in their ISPs'
nameservers or web proxies? Do they see the "Welcome to the *new*
Kara-Moon site" message?

Regards, Ian

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:54:49 +0000, Folderol wrote:

> Can someone using ukfsn try to reach this page:
> http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod06&l_submenu_id=m001_06_01
>

Opera 10/Fedora 10  from UKFSN:

- The home page shows the blank rectangle.
- so do all entries in the menu under 'Forum'
- The 'Home' entry produces a dropdown menu starting with Auditorium.
  There's no way I can find that returns me to the home page. I expect
  'Home' to do that rather than showing a drop-down menu.

These all make me think that the site designed could have put a bit more 
thought into the site design and construction - at the very least the 
blank pages should say 'under construction' and hint at what they will do 
when completed.

General points:
- several pages have spelling mistakes
- there is no contact information, not even a 'email us' link. 
  I'm not certain whether that's legal under current UK law,
  but IMO it isn't good practice for any website.

The Sponsors page says its built with a new CMS package. The package does 
a nice job with layout and appearance, but if any of the points I've 
commented on are features of the CMS package, especially the behavior of 
'Home' in the menu bar, then it needs some more work before its ready for 
prime time. 

If the CMS package doesn't have a built-in spelling checker, one should 
be added ASAP, preferably with the ability to prevent miss-spelled pages 
from being published. This last point comes from my own experience - I 
really *hate* publishing pages with spelling errors because it looks so 
careless.


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martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:12:53 +0000 (UTC)
Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:54:49 +0000, Folderol wrote:
> 
> > Can someone using ukfsn try to reach this page:
> > http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod06&l_submenu_id=m001_06_01
> >

Thanks everyone for your replies.

I'm now pretty certain that the problem is missing scripts. All of you
have been looking at the page for the first time, and I have my
browsers configured to clear the cache on exit.

I've a strong feeling that all the other regular users of the site (none
of which seem to have a problem), aren't as fussy as me, so have the
necessary scripts still in their cache.

The site is run by non-native English speakers, so though I know there
are spelling mistakes I tend to let it pass.

It is a good point about not having an easily accessible contact
address and I will mention that when I email the site maintainer (like
in a few minutes time!)

-- 
Will J G

Folderol wrote:

> 
> 
> Can someone using ukfsn try to reach this page:
> http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod06&l_submenu_id=m001_06_01
> 
> When I try I get the basic fixed layout, menu bar and a blank white
> rectangle below. That rectangle should contain lots of forum
> subsections.
> 
> The page works correctly for friends on {spit}BT, and friends in other
> countries.
> 
> I can't believe it's something my end, as I've tried using three
> different machines, and Opera V10, Firefox V3.0 & V3.5
> 
> The site moved servers last week, and I'm wondering if ukfsn hasn't
> fully updated the DNS changes.
> 
It's the site that's broken, it doesn't work from here and I'm not on ukfsn 
(either Demon or NTL). Konqueror and Firefox on Linux, and Firefox on 
Windows all give the blank box symptoms described elsewhere.

IE8 on Windows gives content in the box but has

display_template template_id: tmpl_forum / mod06 for page_id p001_06_01
display_template template_source: tmpl_forum.php / mod06

at the top and:

ack! query failed: 
errorno=1146
error=Table 'smf.tb_pages' doesn't exist
query=SELECT source_1 FROM tb_pages WHERE page_id = 'p001_06_01' 

at the bottom. The presence of  "(ns4)_d" in the code doesn't inspire me 
with confidence that it's particularly up to date in how it identifies 
browsers.

-- 
Dave
da ve@llondel.org (without the space)
So many gadgets, so little time.

Found out that the pages have been named differently but the links from
the main page had not been updated.

-- 
Will J G

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:36:02 +0000, Folderol wrote:

> Found out that the pages have been named differently but the links from
> the main page had not been updated.

There are still a few problems:

- the 'Home' button on the menu bar still doesn't do what it says
  on the tin. It seems to default to the first item on the 'home' 
  drop down menu but I still find that annoying because its
  unconventional behavior and 'Auditorium' is far from a natural
  synonym for 'Home'.

- the initial and Forum pages all show the same blank page apart from a
  line saying that the forum will appear on a pop-up.

- much more annoyingly, all that appears when one of these pages is
  selected is a note on the status line saying that a pop-up was blocked:
  clicking that shows me the forum page. This is happening because I have
  Opera configured to suppress unwanted pop-up ads, but this is the only
  site I've visited recently that behaves this way. 

  Could I strongly suggest that you don't use a pop-up. If you don't want
  the forum to occupy the same window, then open another window rather
  than using a pop-up. Most other sites do this via the
  target="_blank" attribute of the <a> tag. AFAIK it works with 
  all browsers and they don't confuse it with an unwanted advertising 
  pop-up. I use similar settings with Firefox and it too blocked the
  forum page pop-ups until I specifically allowed them for this site.
  I bet I'm not the only person to use unwanted pop-up blocking.

  NOTE: this setting doesn't block 'login' pop-ups on this or any other
  site.

- all these forum-related pop-ups show the same Forum page. Are they
  meant to do that?


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

Dave {Reply Address In.Sig} <noone$$@llondel.org> wrote:
> It's the site that's broken, it doesn't work from here and I'm not on ukfsn 
> (either Demon or NTL). Konqueror and Firefox on Linux, and Firefox on 
> Windows all give the blank box symptoms described elsewhere.

If you want to see what lots of browsers do, see:
http://browsershots.org/http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod06&l_submenu_id=m001_06_01
Quite a variation!

(or try putting in the URL in http://browsershots.org/ if the images above
have expired)

Theo

On 02 Nov 2009 17:55:41 +0000 (GMT)
Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> Dave {Reply Address In.Sig} <noone$$@llondel.org> wrote:
> > It's the site that's broken, it doesn't work from here and I'm not on ukfsn 
> > (either Demon or NTL). Konqueror and Firefox on Linux, and Firefox on 
> > Windows all give the blank box symptoms described elsewhere.
> 
> If you want to see what lots of browsers do, see:
> http://browsershots.org/http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod06&l_submenu_id=m001_06_01
> Quite a variation!
> 
> (or try putting in the URL in http://browsershots.org/ if the images above
> have expired)
> 
> Theo

That's a very useful looking site!

-- 
Will J G

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:34:18 +0000 (UTC)
Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:36:02 +0000, Folderol wrote:
> 
> > Found out that the pages have been named differently but the links from
> > the main page had not been updated.
> 
> There are still a few problems:

<snip>

Thanks for your comments.

This isn't my website so I can only respectfully make suggestions. Also
the web designer is primarily a musician not a web designer, so one has
to maintain a balance :)

I was aware if some of the problems you found (the homepage in
particular) and will drip-feed these through.

The site was built up bit at a time over several years, and I think now
is the first time the whole thing has had a makeover. The guy has said
himself that he knows there are 'some' problems and is looking at them
as and when he has the time.

-- 
Will J G