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date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:08:04 +0000,    group: uk.comp.homebuilt        back       
Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
I am on the point of installing Win 7 Pro which has been sitting on my 
coffee table since the 2nd. Initially I had anticipated installing the 
64 bit version, but I have now learnt that an application I like I has 
issues with 64 bit.

The machine has dual core AMD 64 bit 2.8 GHz CPU and 4 GB RAM on an Asus 
M3N-H/HDMI motherboard. Will I see much difference in performance 
between 32 and 64 bit on this sort of kit? If not, I think it makes more 
sense for me to hang on to my old software and stay with 32 bit for the 
time-being.

Should I consider any other factors at this stage?

-- 
John Blundell
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:08:04 +0000   author:   John Blundell lid

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
John Blundell wrote:
> I am on the point of installing Win 7 Pro which has been sitting on my 
> coffee table since the 2nd. Initially I had anticipated installing the 
> 64 bit version, but I have now learnt that an application I like I has 
> issues with 64 bit.
> 
> The machine has dual core AMD 64 bit 2.8 GHz CPU and 4 GB RAM on an Asus 
> M3N-H/HDMI motherboard. Will I see much difference in performance 
> between 32 and 64 bit on this sort of kit? If not, I think it makes more 
> sense for me to hang on to my old software and stay with 32 bit for the 
> time-being.
> 
> Should I consider any other factors at this stage?
> 

You have had it on your coffee table since the 2nd? Thats today innit? 
Anyway if you do not mind losing a bit of useable RAM then by all means 
install the 32bit version, there is no real performance difference 
between 32 & 64 bit except for accessible RAM.
date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:13:10 +0000   author:   Nick Le Lievre lid

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
John Blundell wrote:
> I am on the point of installing Win 7 Pro which has been sitting on my
> coffee table since the 2nd. Initially I had anticipated installing the
> 64 bit version, but I have now learnt that an application I like I has
> issues with 64 bit.
>
> The machine has dual core AMD 64 bit 2.8 GHz CPU and 4 GB RAM on an
> Asus M3N-H/HDMI motherboard. Will I see much difference in performance
> between 32 and 64 bit on this sort of kit? If not, I think it makes
> more sense for me to hang on to my old software and stay with 32 bit
> for the time-being.
>
> Should I consider any other factors at this stage?

Would your application work in the virtual XP mode that comes with 7 pro?

-- 
SteveH
date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:57:25 GMT   author:   SteveH

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
In article <hcmls9$725$2@aioe.org>, Nick Le Lievre 
<nicklelievre@jerseymail.co.uk.invalid> writes
>You have had it on your coffee table since the 2nd? Thats today innit? 
>Anyway if you do not mind losing a bit of useable RAM then by all means 
>install the 32bit version, there is no real performance difference 
>between 32 & 64 bit except for accessible RAM.

For 2nd read 22nd, with cordless keyboard on the edge of its range :-)

-- 
John Blundell
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:30:33 +0000   author:   John Blundell lid

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
In article <9zBHm.947$Ym4.429@text.news.virginmedia.com>, SteveH 
 writes
>Would your application work in the virtual XP mode that comes with 7 
>pro?

There is some discussion on this, but it seems that it runs in XP mode 
on 32 bit, but not 64. The application is Turnpike.

-- 
John Blundell
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:33:01 +0000   author:   John Blundell lid

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
John Blundell wrote:
> In article <9zBHm.947$Ym4.429@text.news.virginmedia.com>, SteveH
>  writes
>> Would your application work in the virtual XP mode that comes with 7
>> pro?
>
> There is some discussion on this, but it seems that it runs in XP mode
> on 32 bit, but not 64. The application is Turnpike.

I used to use Turnpike in the dim and distant, nice app.

Doesn't look good for 64 bit running though, does it?

-- 
SteveH
date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:58:38 GMT   author:   SteveH

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
In message , John Blundell 
<me@privacy.invalid> writes
>In article <9zBHm.947$Ym4.429@text.news.virginmedia.com>, SteveH 
> writes
>>Would your application work in the virtual XP mode that comes with 7 
>>pro?
>
>There is some discussion on this, but it seems that it runs in XP mode 
>on 32 bit, but not 64. The application is Turnpike.

That's not the consensus of opinion in demon.ip.support.turnpike though.

TP works pretty well under the 32-bit version of W7 with some cosmetic 
issues.

It doesn't run under the 64-bit version and there is no prospect of this 
being fixed. It's a bug in W7 which Microsoft are aware of but probably 
won't fix soon if at all.

TP runs in Virtual XP mode on W764 but that's not available in the 
"home" versions of W7.

TP runs under earlier Windows versions in other virtualisation systems 
but this is only permitted if you have a license for the client OS. If I 
need to use TP under W764 I'll use virtual NT4 systems because I have 
plenty of spare licenses for that and it's not a resource-hog.



-- 
Bernard Peek
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:14:29 +0000   author:   Bernard Peek

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
In article , Bernard Peek  
writes
>TP works pretty well under the 32-bit version of W7 with some cosmetic 
>issues.
>
>It doesn't run under the 64-bit version and there is no prospect of 
>this being fixed. It's a bug in W7 which Microsoft are aware of but 
>probably won't fix soon if at all.
>
>TP runs in Virtual XP mode on W764 but that's not available in the 
>"home" versions of W7.
>
>TP runs under earlier Windows versions in other virtualisation systems 
>but this is only permitted if you have a license for the client OS. If 
>I need to use TP under W764 I'll use virtual NT4 systems because I have 
>plenty of spare licenses for that and it's not a resource-hog.

Thanks for that summary Bernard.

I do have W7 Pro so I should be able to use XP mode. I guess I will be 
best off going for 64 bit as then I will be able to add extra RAM if I 
want that.

AIUI I will not see a performance difference between 32 and 64 bit with 
my present kit. Are there any other issues affecting the choice?

-- 
John Blundell
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:18:48 +0000   author:   John Blundell lid

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
On 02/11/2009 in message  John Blundell 
wrote:

>AIUI I will not see a performance difference between 32 and 64 bit with my 
>present kit. Are there any other issues affecting the choice?

Check the availability of 64 bit drivers, the situation is a lot better 
than it used to be but worth checking.

-- 
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant
date: 2 Nov 2009 17:33:49 GMT   author:   Jeff Gaines

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 02/11/2009 in message  John Blundell 
> wrote:
> 
>> AIUI I will not see a performance difference between 32 and 64 bit 
>> with my present kit. Are there any other issues affecting the choice?
> 
> Check the availability of 64 bit drivers, the situation is a lot better 
> than it used to be but worth checking.
> 

Wireless network cars in particular seem to be a bit of a minefield with 
respect to that, as far as my experience and investigations go.

-- 
[ste]
date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:13:44 +0000   author:   [ste parker]

Re: Win7, install 32 or 64 bit?   
Bernard Peek  wrote
>In message , John Blundell 
><me@privacy.invalid> writes
>>In article <9zBHm.947$Ym4.429@text.news.virginmedia.com>, SteveH 
>> writes
>>>Would your application work in the virtual XP mode that comes with 7 
>>>pro?
>>
>>There is some discussion on this, but it seems that it runs in XP mode 
>>on 32 bit, but not 64. The application is Turnpike.
>
>That's not the consensus of opinion in demon.ip.support.turnpike though.
>
>TP works pretty well under the 32-bit version of W7 with some cosmetic 
>issues.
>
Oh really?
I'm looking forward to seeing if TP5.02 works with that.
-- 
Roger Hunt
date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:57:49 +0000   author:   Roger Hunt

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